edgewood bronco wrote:Unfortunately I was robbed a couple years ago and I lost all my photos of that stage of the project, or I'd gladly post them...
Who steals photos? I have to assume they were digital only and not backed up anywhere?
edgewood bronco wrote:I don't know anything about body lifts.
I figured that new body bushings couldn't possibly hurt, and for $100, new bushings that are 1" taller and come with the mounting hardware is a no brainer, I've seen enough taller body lifts that I know I don't even want to deal with them, they start having huge gaps, linkages for shifting, clutch, and steering start needing extensions; I'm hoping 1" BL doesn't cause too many issues.
edgewood bronco wrote: If the chassis is tight and straight, you'll be impressed with how well it tracks from the factory. Mine has 40,000 miles on it
40,000 total, or 40,000 since you rebuilt it? FWIW, my wife put 13,500 miles on my '68 Mustang last year, and another 14,000 this year.
edgewood bronco wrote:and I can drive 70 with a couple of fingers on the wheel
That I like to hear.
edgewood bronco wrote:
lowering the whole drive train is an intriguing idea that could have some merit
Front axle - oil pan clearance might be the only issue.
It came to me as a thought.. on one of the other forums that I am a member of, a guy lowered his entire motor/trans in his Mustang so he had transmission tunnel clearance for T56, he made custom motor mounts and crossmember.
Since I haven't been in or taken a good look at an EB in a very very very long time, I could be full of Bovine Scat on some of my ideas.
I spent an inordinate amount of time yesterday looking at lift kits. I'm going to order a kit that has everything
front springs, c-bushings, rear springs, brake hoses, emergency brake lines, u-bolts, shackle bushings, and shocks.
I realize that a lot of people are going to say you can do better than a kit by itemizing some of these, for example Bilsteins 5100 instead of the white box the vender gives as part of the kit.
The problem is that I have no frame of reference, and I don't want to be piecing together something that 'should' work. At this time I'd rather open a box and go, for the sake of time and that the kit *should* just work.
I went online shopping.
Wild Horses, Toms Bronco Parts, James Duff, Rocky Mountain Suspension -- superlift and skyjacker, and Jeff's Bronco Graveyard.
You can really run the gambit on pricing and options, I looked at 2.5-5.5" lifts.
There were several kits that I looked at yesterday that had all of my wish list was
I am assuming that people stick with the 2.5" lifts because it reduces/eliminates the need for driveline modifications?2.5 Superflex Deluxe Lift Kit System, 1966-75 -- Bronco Graveyard
$809.00 (linear rate coil springs)
But if possible without driveline modifications, I'd rather go with a 3.5" lift kit, JBG also offers.3.5 Long Travel Deluxe Lift Kit System, 1966-75 -- Bronco Graveyard
$799.00 (variable rate coil springs)
For $10 less, it also includes variable rate coils, a plus in my book, a track bar drop bracket, and a drop pitman arm. (now that is some weird math)
And if I am really serious about 33" tall tires, and I need to do driveline modifications anyhow...
I should get my wallet ready for driveline modifications and order this one5.5 Ultra Deluxe Kit, 1966-75 -- Bronco Graveyard
includes drop pitman arm, drop track bar, adjustable track bar, and drop radius arm brackets.
Crabapples, I called Bronco Graveyard and after talking to the technician, *IF* I were to but a 5.5" kit from them, he thought this would be a better option.5.5 Superflex Lift Kit System, 1966-75 -- Bronco Graveyard
According to the technician, all of their coil springs are linear rated, even though the website says variable.
The Ultra Deluxe springs (according to him) are rated at 415lbs/in and are 20" when off the vehicle
The Superflex coils (again according to him) are rated at 190lbs/in and are 23.5" when off the vehicle.
He did not give me specs on the spring rates for the rear, but the
Ultra Deluxe leaves are a 5-leaf pack and he said they would be stiff.
SuperFlex leaves are an 11-leaf pack and would be much softer.
He said that none of their kits are rated for a 33" tall tire under an uncut Bronco, but with a body lift they should fit.
FWIW, according to their webpage you can fit the following tires with each kit.
Tire / Wheel Recommendations 32 x 11.50 on a standard offset wheel. Uncut wheel wells
Tire / Wheel Recommendations 35 x 12.50 on a standard offset wheel. Cut wheel wells
Tire / Wheel Recommendations 30" x 10" on a standard offset wheel. Uncut wheel wells
Tire / Wheel Recommendations 35" x 10.50" on a standard offset wheel. Cut wheel wells.
He did not expand on the rated tire sizes as to why a 5.5" lift would allow different tire sizes, my guess is the softer suspension allows more body roll which causes tire/fender interference.
When I had him on the phone I asked about the 'nominal increase in ride height that necessitates driveline modifications'. He stated that people are *usually* OK up to 3.5" of lift, but that some have been able to run the 5.5" with the OE drivelines.
I did shop a lot of different kits, but most of the other kits that include all my desired parts were more money and at this point I don't know why I'd want to pay more.
Like this one for example..Suspension System 3 w/WH Shocks 2.5in Lift -- WildHorses4x4.com
And then I'd still have to buy brake hoses and emergency brake cables, for example, rockauto has
Hydraulic brake hoses
Raybestos for $25/each (front x 2, or rear) $75 -- stock length. (yes I know they have cheaper ones around $7/each, but I stuck with a name brand for the example)
Emergency brake cables, weird neither rockauto nor O'Reilly's Auto lists rear emergency brake cables for a '75 but both have them for '74... odd
Raybestos emergency brake cables are.
$19.92 (left rear)
$21.79 (right rear)
OR, you can buy this kitExtended Brake Hose & E-Brake Cable Kit 1967-77 -- Bronco Graveyard
If you are interested in seeing the excel spreadsheet that has 41 different lift kits and options listed in one place, hit me up with a PM.
I want the initial work to be quick easy and pain free, with all new suspension mounting hardware, all new hoses and cables, all I'd really need is new calipers/wheel cylinders, and master cylinder and the entire braking system would be new.
I'd still have to examine and possibly rebuild the front/rear axles but that is just bearings, balljoints, and tie rods.. no biggie.
I realize there are a lot of other options for suspension, but I think when considering them, they alone would cost a guy at least a year in rebuild time.
So for future changes, and to allow me to fiddle with things while the Bronco is driven,
I am inclined to go buy the frame/suspension/drivetrain out in West Fargo and build a better chassis with
F-250 shock brackets (F-250 Front Shock Towers -- Classic Broncos
From what I've read, single shocks are sufficient for 99% of Bronco operations and dual shocks have been reported as too stiff.
I would need to do research on the actual spring rates that I need, vehicle weight and total articulation available, and make a better selection of coil springs
look into extended radius arms (build vs buy),
Research more the WAH (Wristed Axle Housing -- ClassicBroncos.com
Staggered (v-shaped) shock arrangements for the rear
From what I've read, reversing the shackle allows the springs to ride more softly, so I'd want to look into that, but in conjunction with some sort of traction device to control axle wrap.
BC Broncos offers a spring plate with a hinge in it for additional articulation and also a shock crossmember for the rear.REAR SUSPENSION COMPONENTS -- BCBroncos.com
If I went with the BCBroncos rear axle "Spring Rockers" I would most likely contact them to see if they could do a 1" offset on the bottom plate, it really shouldn't be that much of an engineering change.
If not, there are a couple ways to move the axle back, the tried and tru, redrilling of the spring perch and top plate with new holes 1" off from center.
or something like this.Offset 1" Zero Rate Add a Leaves™ -- OffRoadDesign.com
$40/pr (that isn't too bad)
If I were to order a kit today, it would be the 3.5 Long travel kit and the 1" bushing/Body lift kit, then measure for allowable tire size and go from there.
Funny thing is that my wife doesn't think I have OCD.
She just doesn't know I'm a closet OCD'er...