'62 Ranchero, originally 170, 3OnTheTree - steering gearbox

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'62 Ranchero, originally 170, 3OnTheTree - steering gearbox

Post #1 by 62Ranchero200 » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:37 am

Greetings Ford Six Fans,

My '62 (Falcon) Ranchero (originally a 170/3-speed column shift car) has manual steering, which is a bit loose. I'd like to either find a rebuilt gearbox, or have the gearbox that is in the car rebuilt. I'd prefer the first option because I've had experience of work farmed out to third parties taking much longer than expected, and if that happens I don't want the Ranchero to sit idle in the garage for weeks or months. I've done a search with all of the on-line vendors that I know and none of them sell rebuilt or new Falcon steering gearboxes.

What years of Falcons/Rancheros have steering gearboxes that would be 100% bolt-in compatible with mine? Are the steering gearboxes that come with V8's different from those that come with sixes? A gearbox for power steering isn't practically usable without power steering, right?

I know that I could find a Mustang gearbox and have the column shaft cut down and welded back together, or switch to a rack & pinion setup such as Flaming River - but if I can find a Falcon gearbox that bolts right in, I'd rather go that route.

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Bob
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Re: '62 Ranchero, originally 170, 3OnTheTree - steering gear

Post #2 by 62Ranchero200 » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:00 pm

The lack of response has been a bit underwhelming. :o

This is what I've discovered so far:

60's Falcon steering gearbox is integral with the input shaft; usually pulled out of the bottom of the engine compartment with the car raised quite a bit
Pitman arm must match the sector shaft diameter; 60-64 six cylinder gearboxes have a 1" sector shaft diameter; '63-64 V8 gearboxes and all '65 gearboxes have a 1 1/8" sector shaft diameter
'60-63 input shafts are about 1" longer; '64-65 steering shafts are about 1" shorter; they can interchange but move the steering wheel position slightly
Apparently, the only difference between manual and power steering gearboxes is the ratio (19:1 for manual and 16:1 for power)

So if my Ranchero has the original gearbox, it has a 1" sector shaft and the longer input shaft

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Bob
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Re: '62 Ranchero, originally 170, 3OnTheTree - steering gear

Post #3 by bubba22349 » Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:02 pm

Hi Bob, sorry wasn't able to answer your question sooner due to work. During Fords racing program (for Rally / Road race cars) for the Falcons they changed many things during 1960 and up models. The best engineering design for the front suspension was the 1965 V8 parts steering geometry was also greatly improved, togeather with the LCA drop that Shelby later borrowed to use on the GT350 and made famous.

As to your question about using the power steering box yes you can also do that even without the power assist parts this would give you a quicker steering rate though it would add a little more steering effort. I believe this was the method that Carroll Shelby used on the 1965 and 66 GT350 Mustangs too to give them a quicker steering rate for racing. Many people have used the later model steering boxes in the early cars i.e. The 1968 up Falcon / Comet or Mustang / Cougar (as well as severial others) steering boxes as a safety upgrade by using the collapsible type steering column the Granada steering box can also be used. Good luck :nod:
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Re: '62 Ranchero, originally 170, 3OnTheTree - steering gear

Post #4 by jamyers » Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:54 pm

I also have a '62 Ranchero with a worn gearbox, and have been watching for some place that rebuilds them.

As far as I know, nobody does the early "no rag joint" boxes.

If you find somebody to rebuild a stock box, let me know.
James - '62 Ranchero (200cid), '71 LeSabre (464cid)

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Re: '62 Ranchero, originally 170, 3OnTheTree - steering gear

Post #5 by jamyers » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:27 pm

Wait: Just found this, looking at Lares website apparently Advance deals in their gearboxes, although I can't get advances website to behave and confirm that.

RockAuto.com shows this:

LARES 8677 Manual Gear; Reman - Return and Rebuild Service Only - You send your part to be rebuilt and returned to you. We'll email shipping instructions after you submit your order. Info w/ 1" diameter sector shaft
$182.79

LARES 8678 Manual Gear; Reman - Return and Rebuild Service Only - You send your part to be rebuilt and returned to you. We'll email shipping instructions after you submit your order. Info w/ 1-1/8" diameter sector shaft
$182.79
James - '62 Ranchero (200cid), '71 LeSabre (464cid)

The ONLY safety device we need is a 6" sharpened steel spike bolted to the center of the steering wheel of EVERY vehicle.
Emergency Rooms and Funeral Homes will be busy for a week or so, then I predict a dramatic drop in vehicle accidents.

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Vendor in Houston that rebuilds Ford steering gearboxes

Post #6 by 62Ranchero200 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:46 am

Greetings Ford Six Fans,

Through friends in my local chapter of the FCA (Falcon Club of America), I have become aware that there's a vendor in northwest Houston that rebuilds Ford steering gearboxes:

Chris Sykes
Northwest Service and Restoration
281-890-8968
10819 Barely Ln
Houston, TX 77070

The vendor also advertises transmission and rear axle repairs.

I do not yet have experience with this vendor. One of my closest friends is having the steering gearbox for his '63 Falcon convertible rebuilt by this vendor, which conveniently enough is only about five miles from my home. Will post an update once the friend's steering gearbox rebuild is complete, installed and evaluated.

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Bob
62 Ranchero, 252 cid, 300 rods, RaceTek pstns, ARP mains bolts & studs, balanced & blueprinted, CI AL head, 1.6 adj rckrs, Smith Bros, 274/274/108 cam, CI int, Holley 500, DSII, CI SS hdrs, PowerMaster strtr and 1wire alt, Optima, V8 rad, T-5z, 10" organic clutch, 5 lug 8" diff /w 3.00, rear drums, front 5 lug discs, Centerlines. Next: 3.80 Traction Loc.

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Re: '62 Ranchero, originally 170, 3OnTheTree - steering gearbox

Post #7 by 1bad6t » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:34 pm

Here is what I know to add to what you already know. 60-62 came with one ratio. '63 was the first year for different ratio. '60-62 used 5/16" bolts to mount box to frame rail...'63 used 3/8", got to enlarge hole in frame rail or drill/tap box according which way you're going. Mustang box has a slight different bolt pattern to mount box to frame rail...one of the three bolts dont match up but close enough that it can be made to fit.
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