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Post #1 by 1966Mustang » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:59 pm

The Fordsix Tech Articles Section is back online!

250old.php
250swap.php
V8Bell.php
XF200ci.php
XFswap.php
OZsixes.php
castings.php
clubs.php
event.php
falcon.php
MachineShops.php
Petronics.php

If you find a bad link or think something is missing - please let me know. I think there are some links on google that reference HTTPS rather than HTTP which will produce a 404 not found error and an ugly SSL certificate warning. I am working on that if you should run across it.

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Post #2 by bubba22349 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:15 pm

:D thanks Perry! :beer: :thumbup: :nod:
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I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #3 by xctasy » Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:50 pm

Many happy returns. The fact that its back is great! :beer:

Time to pull off the glitzy kiddie halo, although its still a take it or leave it deal since its copywrite material and histrically important too

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All of the opening part of archive/V8Bell.php is wrong.

In 1980, Ford revised the castings of the 200 to incorporate a low mount starter. The bell housing pattern ended up as 2/3rd's of the small block V8 pattern. The top two bolts were placed differently due to the very short deck height of the 200 block. Mike Enren has taken one of these blocks and outlined the steps necessary to adapt a V8 Bellhousing to it. While Mike's adaptation is for a C4, this should also work for an AOD or a 5.0 T-5 bellhousing.


It should read. For the 1981 model year, Ford released an additional casting of the 200 block to incorporate a low mount starter


Some of the Aussie Six info is wrong,(OZsixes.php) especialy the use of metrics for torque where 370 Nm should be 273 lb-ft (Mistake 5 below)

and this stuff has been wrong for 11 years. Same with the Wikipedia stuff is wrong, in that that was based on JD and Aussie7Mains brilliant info.

I constantly sent and resent corrections, but they never happened. But its not like its ever been a priorty, Mike AZCoup was a busy man who accomplished much in his short time on earth.

Basically just the so called 3.1 liter 188 and 3.6 liter 221 conrod length stuff, source is the No 62 manual, in many versions

SP Workshop Manual Ford Falcon XK-XW 6 cyl 1960-1969 No.62
and
SP's FORD FALCON XK XL XM XP XR XT XW WORKSHOP MANUAL 6 144 170 188 200 221 1960-70 No.62

Gregory's Ford Falcon XR, XT, XW, XY Fairlane ZD 1966 - 1972 Workshop Manual No.62

Mistake 1. 5.38 and 5.14" respectively, not 5.40" and 5.51") and
Mistake 2. the year of the first 1-bbl Iron Cross flow (1976), not 1975
Mistake 3. 1-bbl Alloy Cross Flow (1980),
Note Well 2-bbl Alloy Cross flow was 192 and
Mistake 4. EFI Fuel Injected Cross flow (1983).
Mistake 5 is to talk 370 Nm to Americans. Should be 273 lb-ft. Mertic units are uncostitutional. Deal with it!

NB// That Mstake 3 in the years is perpetuated in this archive/XFswap.php

decided that the original head design is very limited and elected to import a better engine to replace it: the Alloy Head Crossflow. First introduced in 1976 with an iron head and in 1978 with an alloy head, the Crossflow six is essentially a "Cleveland" version of the six




Regards archive/castings.php

the rider is
These are some numbers I have collected over the years from various engines I have found lying in junkyards. It is not gospel, simply the result of a lot of note taking and observation. If you have any corrections or additions, please pass them on to me.


and

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Mistake 1 is that 75-80 should be 75-83

D8BE-GE
E1BE-FA

D5DE-BA

Mistake 2 1H (3H after 1981)

6 bolt bell


81-83 is very correct, though!

E1BE-BB

E0BE-BB
E1BE-CC

3H

big bell

Mistake 1 and 2 make it hard for people to under stand Blue and Grey blocks define High and low mount starter engine stuatus for 3.3 liter 1963-1980 T code , 1981-1982 B code and 1983 X code engines.

There was never a time of discontination of the high mount block, and it never got a replacement with the new for 1981 low mount block. They were ALL concurrent from 1981 to 1983. The Blue block and heads were high mount for every C4, C3 auto from 1980 to 1983, and every manual with SROD (1980) and T4 (1981). When the lock up clutch was put on the C4 to make it a C5 sometime in 1981, that engine then got a Grey block and head with a low mount starter from 1981 to 1983, but plenty of T4 manuals and C3 Bordeux automatics got high mount blocks, even X vin number blocks. Not all automatics were lockup clutch C5's from 1981 to 1983, plenty of C3 autos were made, and they are all high mount starter engines, just like the last 1980 and 1981 4 speed manual stick shifts were. The big football primary light off catalst was a part of low and high mount engines, including that last of the Blue colored low mount X shell 1980 Granada/Monarch C code 250's. That proves the interchangable nature of Fords transmission schedules, and it make it easier to append the table this way. The explaination comes from people looking at the table.

If the info is right on the tables, they have a better chance of getting the right engines.



But its all good. It might take another 6 or perhaps 11 years for the info to filter through, but at least we started here. After five false starts saying the same thing from 2009 to 2014... :bang:
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XEC Ltd ICBE's Inter Continental Ballistic Engines-
FAZER 6Bi (M112 & EEC5) or FAZER 6Ti (GT3582 & EEC5) 425 HP 4.1L/250 I-6
FAZER 6V0 3x2-BBL Holley 188 HP 3.3L/200 I-6 or 235 HP 4.1L/250 I-6
X-Flow Engine Components Ltd http://www.xecltd.info/?rd=10

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Post #4 by 1966Mustang » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:04 pm

Well, right now I'm just preserving for posterity... The next gen of those old pages will possibly be: http://techlib.highzinc.com/
(possibly soon to be available as a fordsix.com site)

Would you like to be an editor / content creator there if that happens?! :D :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Post #5 by xctasy » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:22 am

1966Mustang wrote:Well, right now I'm just preserving for posterity... The next gen of those old pages will possibly be: http://techlib.highzinc.com/
(possibly soon to be available as a fordsix.com site)

Would you like to be an editor / content creator there if that happens?! :D :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Thanks,

Perry



Sure thing! :thanks:

But I make mistakes too...:oops: hideface.
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XEC Ltd ICBE's Inter Continental Ballistic Engines-
FAZER 6Bi (M112 & EEC5) or FAZER 6Ti (GT3582 & EEC5) 425 HP 4.1L/250 I-6
FAZER 6V0 3x2-BBL Holley 188 HP 3.3L/200 I-6 or 235 HP 4.1L/250 I-6
X-Flow Engine Components Ltd http://www.xecltd.info/?rd=10

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Post #6 by MustangSix » Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:56 pm

I think I can take credit (or discredit) for many of those errors. 20 years ago documentation on these engine families was practically nil. It actually came as a surprise to many that there was such a large variety of blocks, heads, cranks, rods, and other components. And to top it off, almost nobody in the US even knew about all the Oz engines. That's why the crossflow Mustang caused such a stir when we put that together and tried to see where the US and Oz engines differed.

But alas, there is only so much time in a day and it never seemed an urgent thing to correct the record as we learned more. Deano has a vast knowledge of these things and has been a loyal proponent for quite a long time. If he will edit the pages, I'm sure they will be far more accurate.

BTW, I was clearing out my garage the other day and found a dirty, greasy sheet of paper with some cryptic notes and casting number rubbings that I must have done almost 20 years ago. Automotive archaeology at its finest....... :beer:
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Post #7 by Mustang_Punisher65 » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:12 pm

I'm new. can someone show me how this all works.
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Post #8 by bubba22349 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:02 pm

:hmmm: Ok well it's really very easy you would just pick from the different Ford Six engine forums that applies to what size engine your working on. For example:

1. The Small Six Forum is for the Ford Falcon six'es like the 144, 170, 200, and 250 Cu. In. Engines.

2. The Big Six Forum for the Ford 240 and 300 Cu. In engines. The late model 300 engines are also known as a 4.9 Liter.

3. The Vintage Ford Six Forum is for everything thing from the old 1941 to 1951 Flathead six'es up to the first OHV six'es 1952 to 1964 215, 223, & 262 Cu. In engines.

4. Ozzie forums for their many different versions of the Ford InLine Six'es.

5. Orphan Six Forum is for any other Brands of InLine six'es and some 4's too.

Look around in the different engine forums and also this tech section has some general info too (see above links). Then post your questions in the correct forum for your engine (you can also add pictures if you want). Or you can also do searches of the old posts in the forums and probally find the answers to some of your questions. Good luck in the hunt :nod:
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Post #9 by bmbm40 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:52 pm

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Post #10 by chad » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:14 pm

it's clear we have some knowledgeable folk, coordinating is difficult.
glad we're all on the same team.
it'll take some time but i got the feeling it'll b even better…soon.
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
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Post #11 by chad » Sun May 29, 2016 9:29 am

chad wrote:it's clear we have some knowledgeable folk, coordinating is difficult.
glad we're all on the same team.
it'll take some time but i got the feeling it'll b even better…soon.


Again - Glad for the team (no 1 = no go)
and WELCOME to Matt & his efforts!
Let's give him some business (not THE business)
:lol:
BTW: anyone (esp some of the AZ guys who might know) who can relate to Matt anything about the vendors Mike used (part #s, specific items, prices, if there's a need for min # parts to order, which need warehoused, dropped shipped, etc) would help us all. It's alota work for him to take on. To me, Mike had both quality AND price - don't find that often… Also the service was over the top (detailed tech assistance, friendly).
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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