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Dagenham to T-5 swap

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Dagenham to T-5 swap

Post #1 by dulcimerbob » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:06 pm

Have a 62 falcon with a 170 /Dagenham combo. I have looked around the web for a bellhousing adapter and it seems nobody sells one for that swap. My question is there a bellhousing that will bolt on for the 170 that has an adapter made for it ?

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Re: Dagenham to T-5 swap

Post #2 by powerband » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:10 pm

Modern Driveline has adapters for some early small block six' bells but lists only later 66-Up Dagenham bell (?! ... did Ford offer the Dagenham still in 66?, Maybe listing is incorrect?)
They do offer a conversion adapter for common 3spd 2.77 bellhouse. You could find one of those inexpensively. The T5 is a great drivability upgrade but with the early small bell pattern blocks, is limited to the early 8.5" stepped flywheel clutch.

http://transmission.moderndriveline.com ... ers-c7.htm

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Re: Dagenham to T-5 swap

Post #3 by bmbm40 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:37 pm

May be a good idea to check the block number and see if the engine and/or trans had been changed by a previous owner. Do you have a copy of the Falcon Performance Handbook?
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Re: Dagenham to T-5 swap

Post #4 by B RON CO » Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:20 pm

Hi, X2 on the Ford Falcon Performance Handbook. You can learn about the changes to the engines over the years.
One change is the bell housing size. 144 and early 170 came with the mounting for a small bell only. Later 170 and 200 engines are drilled for both large and small bells. If your engine was replaced at some time you may be able to go with the large bell housing and that would make things easier for you. Good luck
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Re: Dagenham to T-5 swap

Post #5 by dulcimerbob » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:16 pm

I will have the use of a lift tomorrow . I'll checks some numbers. I have read somewhere that the 170 doesn't do well with a T5, rpms in overdrive or something like that . Anybody know anything about this ? Thanks

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Re: Dagenham to T-5 swap

Post #6 by pikesan » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:58 pm

dulcimerbob wrote:I will have the use of a lift tomorrow . I'll checks some numbers. I have read somewhere that the 170 doesn't do well with a T5, rpms in overdrive or something like that . Anybody know anything about this ? Thanks


All depends on your setup. Use a speed calculator to figure it out, you can find them online easily. If you get a 4 cylinder T5, the first gear will be plenty low to give great out of the hole performance and they're typically only about 20% overdrive (that's what mine is). That's just about right to driver at faster freeway speeds common today without over-revving the six.
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Re: Dagenham to T-5 swap

Post #7 by StarDiero75 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:53 pm

Howdy,

Im not 100% sure about this but i do know that Modern Driveline makes an adapter for a 289 for the t5. What you could do (not 100 sure), is get a larger bell made for a 3.03 tranny and the adapter plate for the block, then use the T5 adapter plate from modern driveline for the 289, thus you could use a larger 9" or 9 1/4" clutch that is a diaphram style.

Like i said, its an idea, but i dont see why it wouldn't work

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Re: Dagenham to T-5 swap

Post #8 by powerband » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:19 pm

a larger bell made for a 3.03 tranny and the adapter plate for the block, then use the T5 adapter plate from modern driveline for the 289

... the early 60 - 65 170/200's used a smaller bellhouse and bell bolt pattern. The Dagenham and 2.77 bolt up to a unique small clutch bellhouse for each.Later 170/200's were 'dual drilled ' to accept small 2.77/Dag' bell or larger 3.03 bell but were still unique to the 170/200. The 250 uses all small block V8 parts from Flywheel back including any 6 bolt SBF V8 bellhouse including cable clutch T5' bells', SBF bellhouse (157T neutral balance FW) T5 swap with adapter plate..

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