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3 on the Tree

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3 on the Tree

Post #1 by Ford52PU » Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:41 pm

Hello,

first time poster, I have a 52 F1 that someone installed a 223 into. It's a 60's vintage as the valve cover has 6 to 8 bolts, anyway my question is two fold. My 3 speed transmission is stuck in 2nd, no amount of trying will unlock it, I undone the linkages and can get the R - 1 lever into neutral but the 2-3 lever will not move at all. Any ideas on how to proceed. Before I spend a lot of money fixing this or getting it fixed, my real question is what Automatic tranmissions would fit the 223 without a lot of modification. I have a real bad left knee so sometimes it a chore to drive.
Sorry if this is a dumb 1st question.

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Post #2 by The Plankster Prankster » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:05 am

as for what automatics will fit, someone else can help you there, but i'll talk for a minute about getting your 3 speed alive.

seeing as it is clearly stuck inside the tranny, so i think the necessary course of action would be to remove the tranny, open it up, and see what happened. if the shift fork is not visibly broken or otherwise damaged, try shifting it by moving the shift fork itself, and from there try to figure out whats binding up
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Post #3 by fmartin_gila » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:51 am

You do have the later head as they switched from the 2 bolt valve cover to the 8 bolt cover in 59 0r 60. It does help if you let people know your location, as to any assistance which may be offered. I switched to a T5 trans in my pickup and the column shifted 3 spd is collecting dust in a corner of the garage. You are welcome to it if the logistics can be worked out.

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Post #4 by Ford52PU » Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:25 pm

Thanks for the replies so far, I plan to check out the tranmission to see what is jammed.
I appreciate the offer on the 3 Sp, I'm in PA between Lancaster and Philadelphia.

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Post #5 by early ford fan » Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:30 pm

i would remove the driveshaft and wiggle the yoke while trying to shift the transmission.

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Post #6 by rbohm » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:22 am

8) i would be willing to bet that either a shift fork is broken, or the set screw that holds the shift forks to the shift rail is loose or missing.
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Post #7 by bubba22349 » Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:54 pm

my real question is what Automatic tranmissions would fit the 223 without a lot of modification. I have a real bad left knee so sometimes it a chore to drive.


This is a good question but it’s going to depend on what you consider as a lot of modifications and how they did the install of the 223 into the 52. 223 First offered in the full size Ford cars and pickups in 1954 and ended in 64 also mostly limits the stock trans choices to a Ford O Matic. Many of the 52’s came with a 215 first year of the OHV sixes these are the same design as a 223 and use the same motor mounts my guess is they used all stock parts to do the swap into your 52 correct me if I am wrong, if not this could also open up a few more options though. If you can find the auto trans parts i.e. bell housing, trans, steering column tube and all the linkage parts from an early F100 with an auto trans, than it would be pretty much a bolt in job. Six or V8 most of the parts are the same except the bell and flex plate from 1954 to 64. Or you could use a custom made floor shifter in place of the column change if you can find one or 64 to 66 Mustang could be used too. The later Cruse O Matic and FMX trans can also be bolted to this same bell with some minor work. Rumor was (and a long shot) that there was a one year (64 Ford cars only) that offered a 223 with a C4 trans :shock: , I never seen one though I would really like one if these bells do exist :nod: , if you do find a stash of them please save me one. If so it would not be a direct bolt into the truck though and besides using different rear trans mount the engine mounts would also need to change to the car type. Last there are the custom adapters so you can bolt a C4 and the late AOD overdrive trans behind them again will be more work and require a much bigger budget to do it. Hope this is of some help to answer your question :)
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Post #8 by Ford52PU » Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:51 pm

Hello Bubba,
Thanks for getting back to me. The 223 has been in this truck since the 70's, I knew the PO and he had it since 73 and it was there when he got it.

I am getting ready to pull the trans out of the truck and see what up and go from there.
There was nothing in the oil when I drained it out, I expected to find so metal in the pan. I was hoping it would be easier than this.

Thanks again,
Dennis

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Post #9 by bubba22349 » Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:19 pm

Good luck on it hope it is not much work to get going again! :thumbup:
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I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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