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Dagenham Bellhousing ?

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Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #1 by falconcritter » Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:54 pm

does the dagenham have only type one bellhousing (170) or two (200) ? the bellhousing for the three speed is taller than the four speed.
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Re: Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #2 by dagenham » Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:33 pm

What do you mean by "taller"? The only difference that there may be, would be if there is a five bolt bellhousing and a six bolt bellhousing. I dont think there was anything like that though.

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Re: Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #3 by rocklord » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:59 am

The dagenham has only one bellhousing for the 170 and 200.
Check this website out.

http://www.phlegm.us/tech/drivetrain/manualswap.html

It should answer your questions.
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Re: Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #4 by powerband » Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:14 am

falconcritter wrote:does the dagenham have only type one bellhousing (170) or two (200) ? the bellhousing for the three speed is taller than the four speed.


The "taller" bell is probably for the "toploader" 3 speed and cis used on later (@'67) 170/200 blocks with "taller" block casting at rear which meets the block/head gasket line. Most of these later blocks are "dual drilled" and will accept the later "Toploader" and C4 bell as well as the smaller "shorter" 2.77 3spd, Dagenham 4speed and Fordomatic 2 spd automaticc patten bells.
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Re: Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #5 by falconcritter » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:41 pm

i have never had a chance to own a dagenham. but next too the three speeds, the 4 speed bellhousing looked really small. i did not know if it will bolt up too a C6 200 block ? i got a great deal on it and a engine. :beer:
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Re: Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #6 by early ford fan » Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:08 pm

the daganham has some funky gearing.to me the second gear is too close to the first gear.i usally skip second unless im carrying extra weight.

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Re: Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #7 by rocklord » Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:35 pm

falconcritter wrote:i have never had a chance to own a dagenham. but next too the three speeds, the 4 speed bellhousing looked really small. i did not know if it will bolt up too a C6 200 block ? i got a great deal on it and a engine. :beer:


The dagenham bellhousing will bolt up to the 66 block, which has the dual pattern block. You will have to use a 8.5-inch recessed flywheel with the Dag BH instead of a 9-inch.
I don't know what clutch disc you need to use with the Dag 4spd.

Good luck.
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Re: Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #8 by dagenham » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:48 pm

The pressure plate is dagenham only but the clutch plate itsself is the same one as the 2.77 trans IIRC.

The gears are defineately funky I agree. The dagenham is a close ratio transmission and the standard gears for the rear from Ford when that trans was ordered was 3.20 ratio. It doesnt make the 200 a real fuel sipper. At 60mph I am turning about 2500 rpm.

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Re: Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #9 by early ford fan » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:09 pm

dagenham wrote:The pressure plate is dagenham only but the clutch plate itsself is the same one as the 2.77 trans IIRC.

The gears are defineately funky I agree. The dagenham is a close ratio transmission and the standard gears for the rear from Ford when that trans was ordered was 3.20 ratio. It doesnt make the 200 a real fuel sipper. At 60mph I am turning about 2500 rpm.

i wonder if the dagenham came in any other cars with a lower first gear?it would be nice to change the ratio.

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Re: Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #10 by dagenham » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:34 pm

I dont know if there were any other ratios available, but the trans came in several other Fords.
Falcon
Econoline van (four on the tree)
Fairlane ( I think)
If there are anyothers I dont know.

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Re: Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #11 by powerband » Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:39 am

dagenham wrote:I dont know if there were any other ratios available, but the trans came in several other Fords.
Falcon
Econoline van (four on the tree)
Fairlane ( I think)
If there are anyothers I dont know.


Good question, were there different gearings for the diff applications?.. The British sport car sourced Dagenham is certainly fun to drive with a mild six. At cruise, the close raio focuses' the six's available powerband .

And with Hypodermic shifter setup, it's the archetypical cool looking raw 4 speed :

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Re: Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #12 by falconcritter » Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:00 pm

i know the dagenham came in the falcon, econoline, and the mustang . when i was looking at a name search, i came apon a post that said.... the falcon and mustang dagenham trans. are different. placement of the trans mount, or shifter i think. i will post pics on sat. maybe you guys can help me out !
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Re: Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #13 by rocklord » Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:00 am

The picture that powerband posted shows a transmission for a Falcon.
A Mustang shifter mounts farther back on the tailshaft.
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Re: Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #14 by falconcritter » Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:21 pm

well then, thanks for the info. my trans is out of a mustang. SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #15 by pikesan » Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:10 pm

Maybe we should start a Dagenham support group? I'm using one in my 63 Wagon that is now, thank goodness, in paint! I'll post some pics when there's something cool to see.

This is a video I did to rebuild a Hurst Competition Plus Shifter for Dagenhams. It'll probably be helpful for other shifters too.
Hope it helps some folks! I would have been lost without my pops to help.
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Re: Dagenham Bellhousing ?

Post #16 by dagenham » Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:12 pm

Some of the later tailshaft housings had the mounting points for both the Falcon and the Mustang. I have one like that in the garage. I figure that Ford changed the casting to both patterns when they started putting them in both the Mustang and the Falcon at the same time.

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