Factory "big brake" setup for 92-96 F150s

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Factory "big brake" setup for 92-96 F150s

Post #1 by fastback69 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:53 pm

I found this mod on http://www.nloc.net (Nat'l Lightning Owners club) and thought I would try it and share the results here. You'll need the front brakes & knuckles from a 2004-07 E150, with the 4.6l and ABS. The discs are 12.83" and a little over 1" thick, and the calipers are 2 piston units. The lower ball joint will have to be replaced with a 92-96 part but that's the only necessary change. The wheel bearings, seals, upper ball joint, and tie rod are all the same. Brake lines/banjo bolts from 92-96 will also work. I'm using some ss braided from Earls. I'm using a 1-1/4" master cylinder from a 98 F250 without cruise. I also completely rebuilt the stock drums. I'm still working some kinks out like getting the master completely bled, again, since it leaked down. I forgot to tighten a banjo bolt. Lesson learned: hold off on the master until all the new lines and whatnot are installed lest your fresh fluid leak out. The larger master cylinder causes the rears to lock up way too soon. I thought this might happen, so I'll get a proportioning valve from Wilwood and stick it in the rear line somewhere. I think my alignment is out, too.

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Re: Factory "big brake" setup for 92-96 F150s

Post #2 by Asa » Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:26 pm

I just came across this while searching for other stuff. What sort of wheel clearance do you need? I have 15" wheels on my truck, will they still clear the brakes? What about the lug pattern, does that change?

Real interesting swap. I like the possibilities, mainly the possible addition of front ABS from this.
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Post #3 by fastback69 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:55 pm

The vans had 16" wheels. I'm using 17" lightning wheels with .25" spacers. The bolt pattern is the same. Some of the lightning guys were also incorporating the van abs. You can find out more on their website. I found another possible cause for the soft pedal. I had the master cylinder-abs valve brake line off while creating a new line. I think I need to bleed it. The truck stops fast now, too much for the tires sometimes. I'll add some pics of the prop valve. The van parts put about 2-3 degrees of negative camber in too, so alignment is necessary.
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Post #4 by Asa » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:14 am

fastback69 wrote:The vans had 16" wheels. I'm using 17" lightning wheels with .25" spacers. The bolt pattern is the same. Some of the lightning guys were also incorporating the van abs. You can find out more on their website. I found another possible cause for the soft pedal. I had the master cylinder-abs valve brake line off while creating a new line. I think I need to bleed it. The truck stops fast now, too much for the tires sometimes. I'll add some pics of the prop valve. The van parts put about 2-3 degrees of negative camber in too, so alignment is necessary.

Well shoot, I'll definitely need new tires and wheels after that.
Thanks, I'll see if I can find a thread or two over there.
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Re: Factory "big brake" setup for 92-96 F150s

Post #5 by 80broncoman » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:16 pm

fastback69 wrote:The vans had 16" wheels. I'm using 17" lightning wheels with .25" spacers. The bolt pattern is the same. Some of the lightning guys were also incorporating the van abs. You can find out more on their website. I found another possible cause for the soft pedal. I had the master cylinder-abs valve brake line off while creating a new line. I think I need to bleed it. The truck stops fast now, too much for the tires sometimes. I'll add some pics of the prop valve. The van parts put about 2-3 degrees of negative camber in too, so alignment is necessary.


I just noticed "bolt pattern the same" are you sure?? Last I heard they were just different enough that the 97 up wheels will NOT fit on a 96 or earlier truck.
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Post #6 by Asa » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:28 pm

80broncoman wrote:I just noticed "bolt pattern the same" are you sure?? Last I heard they were just different enough that the 97 up wheels will NOT fit on a 96 or earlier truck.

That's what I was thinking. But if he has second gen lightning wheels he wouldn't have noticed an issue up front.

I wasn't sure about if Econolines had the same bolt pattern as the trucks though, can't see why they wouldn't though.
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Post #7 by fastback69 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:37 pm

I have first gen lightning wheels. Ford didn't change the bolt pattern on the vans until 2008 I guess. Even the lug nuts fit. :D
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Re: Factory "big brake" setup for 92-96 F150s

Post #8 by jjona5 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:17 pm

Hate to bring this from the dead but has anyone done the upgrade? I might add this to my parts list when i go to yards. I'm about to pick up lightning wheels. Already have an f250 swaybar setup to install. Hydroboost unit on the ready. This would be a nice additional upgrade.

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Post #9 by fastback69 » Sun May 14, 2017 10:03 pm

I love the new brakes. The only thing i may do differently in the future is replace the 1.25" master with a 1-1/16" like stock or a 1-1/8" from a lightning or other such truck. The external proportioning valve was a pain to get plumbed in and adjusted right. So far these brakes have kept me from wiping out several idiots here in town. I don't think you will regret the decision after you get the brake pads properly bedded in and working at their peak performance. Stops quick, fast, and in a hurry. The only other issue is that I'm using high performance brake hoses designed for stock calipers. They "fit" and don't leak or bind, so I'll replace them later too.
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Re: Factory "big brake" setup for 92-96 F150s

Post #10 by bubba22349 » Tue May 16, 2017 11:04 pm

:hmmm: Did you happen to take any pictures of the old and the new big brake parts for comparison? :thumbup:
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Post #11 by fastback69 » Wed May 17, 2017 1:36 pm

Update: I looked for them on my computers but didn't find any of the swap or comparisons. I think those were on my phone and when I deleted my photo albums on google photo, they deleted off my phone too. There are some pics on pg. 3 of the original thread on the Nat'l Lightning owners site. http://www.nloc.net/vbforum/showthread. ... -Kit/page3

I did but I'll have to hunt for them. I'll have to find the files and upload them and fix the links in the original post. I'll try to do it tonight.


bubba22349 wrote::hmmm: Did you happen to take any pictures of the old and the new big brake parts for comparison? :thumbup:
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Post #12 by bubba22349 » Sun May 21, 2017 9:10 am

:beer: fastback69 thank you for that link its really interesting :thumbup:
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