PTO mounted on BW 1356 transfer case

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PTO mounted on BW 1356 transfer case

Post #1 by crackdhead » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:20 am

Has anyone actually seen one? I know the bolt pattern is standard and Ive seen gears on ebay but couldnt find any info on one actually mounted...

For the context Id like to run a pto winch out front on my 92 150

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Re: PTO mounted on BW 1356 transfer case

Post #2 by bubba22349 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:40 am

:hmmm: Mostly they were used in the F350's with 5 speed behind a Diesel and also sometimes you will see them in the F250's
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Re: PTO mounted on BW 1356 transfer case

Post #3 by 82F100SWB » Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:45 am

You need the F250/350 pto equipped case, you can't bolt a PTO onto your existing one.
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Re: PTO mounted on BW 1356 transfer case

Post #4 by sdiesel » Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:05 am

i have a 1356 on the bench right now with a pto port. came from a 350 dually 4x gasser.
all 350 had them and the sno-plow optioned 250 trucks too.

case is different obviously for the opening and there is a pressed on gear for the drive. the shafts may be different too.
a long love affair with the 300 six.
my lastest and final fling is a fresh 300 in an 88 ford f350 dually 4X flatbed

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Re: PTO mounted on BW 1356 transfer case

Post #5 by chad » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:36 pm

I had to find out who made the PTO and source parts from them (Konig made mine in '69). A less helpful source may B to contact BW - give them your 1356 number asking for assistance that way. Another idea is a hydrolic winch run off the pto (it drives a hydro pump - my Koenig is mechanical all the way). Lastly some PTOs were mounted on the transmission (NP, ZF) and you may find something that way.
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Re: PTO mounted on BW 1356 transfer case

Post #6 by crackdhead » Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:58 pm

Oooo I kind of forgot about this... But Im almost positive that the PTO flanges are standardized so that brings me to the gear.... Ive seen coarse and fine tooth gears and I dont know which is in the 1356...

I guess my only option is to just go get a 350 tcase and try to put my pto drive on it and see if it has the right pitch gear on it...

Oh yeah i got a t18 trans years back and it had a pto unit on it... Sorry I think i should have started with that...

The real bummer is that I have to get a 350 AND bronco 1356 then slap them together because i want a pto port front case and a slip yoke elminated rear case... I am under the impression only broncos had a fixed rear output

Which kinda makes me worried they had different size parts to account for tolerances like maybe they matched the cases... But I have also heard of them having issues with drive train clunking and it was just a lack of thrust shims in the tcase and the shafts shifting forward and back with no ill effects other than drive train clunking...

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Post #7 by chad » Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:23 pm

there were some made specifically 4 the bronk back in the day when the vehicle was new (see the site recommended). They were a lill different than a j**p model (or others, obviously) I have the shafts and everything but the winch & carrier bearing. I got it all shipped from Louseannie and the winch (not needed) was an extra ship expense I did not wish to pay (1500 mi to the Commonwealth of MA). An inspection plate drops offa the bottom and the unit has an open case w/bolt holes matchin the x-fer case's @ that same location. I like it better than the ones mounted on the transmission due 2 more options in feed speed.
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Re: PTO mounted on BW 1356 transfer case

Post #8 by crackdhead » Sat Jan 09, 2016 4:15 pm

I think I saw some of the old magazine ads for the koenigs I was actually thinking about trying to get one to use but one day an old holmes wrecker showed up at the junkyard so I grabbed the bed winch for $50. Its huge and only rated for 8k (more like double that from what Ive heard) But i really like it since it has a built in reversal unit and has like 3 or 4 aux shafts... I was actually thinking about just sticking a 2 stage air compressor in the bumper also and just running it off the winch

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older model wrecker parts

Post #9 by chad » Sat Jan 09, 2016 4:30 pm

"…3 or 4 aux shafts…"
That's interesting - any pic?
Did U get all the controls too?
The booms B nice in a flat bed to pick up stuff (to carry on the bed or just move).

You're talkin bout the main winch on the wrecker, now, right? Not a lill 1 on the side...
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Re: PTO mounted on BW 1356 transfer case

Post #10 by crackdhead » Sat Jan 09, 2016 9:08 pm

Its a holmes 440 mechanical... Back before hydraulic wreckers haha...

I personally dont have a pic but the ones in the top row look like mine https://www.google.com/search?q=holmes+ ... AaihD6g%3D

I dont think they are all aux shafts as at least one should have a brake on it but the brake guts are all rotten out and its a worm screw winch so i dont think i really need it...

At least one spins constant with the pto input and then I think theres 2 more that spin in the direction of the cable drum whether it be forward or reverse which I think are supposed to each have a brake on them but I dont see why they couldnt be repurposed with a pulley or sprocket on them

Only problem really is the size of the thing WAY taller than a regular truck winch
But it has been at least a year since i looked close at it...

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Post #11 by chad » Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:21 pm

Thanks for the link.
It sure has a lot of pic. I saw 2 pto units, 1 about 1/2 way down & another just a lill lower - like mine. (The 1st was upside down showin the main gear). Only 1 showin the shafts, U joints, etc of a Koenig like mine.
Also 1 guy (or is it a girl, too sm. a pic 2 C) did what I said - put the derrick (if U will) on his flat bed (the 1 w/the tool box on the tail of the bed/blockin the pic a lill).
These things (wrecker winch) look chain driven (off drive shaft)? The "extra shafts" U mention may just B places to put sprockets for different drive ratios (by moving drive chains to different places on the winch).
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Re: PTO mounted on transfer case

Post #12 by crackdhead » Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:23 pm

chad wrote:Thanks for the link.
These things (wrecker winch) look chain driven (off drive shaft)? The "extra shafts" U mention may just B places to put sprockets for different drive ratios (by moving drive chains to different places on the winch).

It was chain driven but I think its because thats the only easy way to move power vertically between 2 parallel shafts I figured Id just put a universal yoke on where the sprocket is...

As for the different ratio sprockets on the shafts I never thought of that... Ill have to rememeber that if i cant get my pto on my bw1356 and am stuck with it transmission mounted

No i didnt get any controls with it... Im pretty sure it was just a single rod going back to the handles on the tail of the wrecker body.... Im kind of disapointed I didnt get the wrecker body and mast considering they said 300 for it with the winch on it(i think its been a year but i remember the bed was reasonable).... But i live in suburbia and wouldnt really have a place to put it and couldnt justify not having a container shaped bed on my 1/2 ton truck

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Post #13 by chad » Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:07 pm

"...live in suburbia…"
I hear ya on that.
I got the acreage but it's a steep gradient - covered w/bronk prts
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Re: PTO mounted on BW 1356 transfer case

Post #14 by crackdhead » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:25 am

That would be pretty sweet though owning a mini crane I hate thinking about stuff I shoulda bought... Just like years back an 80s f350 wrecker for $650(?) needed a clutch... Passed it up What a dummy right? :bang:

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Re: PTO mounted on BW 1356 transfer case

Post #15 by chad » Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:16 pm

"...a dummy right?…"
not so sure…they wrk them pretty hard, might have been it's own "wreck" (get it?).
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