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Post #151 by shmoozo » Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:31 pm

THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER wrote:Another of my rules for car building: Never put a 9-second motor in a 12-second chassis. Fastest recipe for disaster I know.


Yeah, I can see where that would be true. It's the sort of truth that has a very nasty way of proving its point to anybody foolish enough to ignore it (or at least to those who happen to be watching when the inevitable disaster strikes).

On the other hand, putting a 15-second motor in a 9-second chassis might not be such a terrible idea from a safety perspective, but a proper 9-second chassis is probably not terribly well suited for the sort of application where one would be using a 15-second motor.

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Post #152 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:27 pm

I did a little more work on the nosepiece. The fender sections from a '46 truck were so hard I could not work them, so I built a roaring brush fire and threw them in for a few hours. That annealed the steel so I can start to stretch and shrink them. Here is how far I got in an hour:
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Post #153 by shmoozo » Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:46 pm

THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER wrote:I did a little more work on the nosepiece. The fender sections from a '46 truck were so hard I could not work them, so I built a roaring brush fire and threw them in for a few hours. That annealed the steel so I can start to stretch and shrink them. ...


Will that annealing process leave the metal in the nose soft and easily damaged or will other processes along the way (work hardening, for example) strengthen it again before the nose is finally installed on the car?
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Post #154 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:06 pm

It is much softer than before. It will work harden somewhat with further shaping. The compound curve shape makes it very strong, like an eggshell is strong even though its material is inherently brittle. Being steel rather than aluminum I am not worried about its strength.
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Post #155 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:17 pm

Recently I found this neat magnesium center section at a local scrap yard. It was erroneously tossed into a bin of scrap aluminium castings and I was able to buy it for scrap (aluminum) value. What I would like to do is marry it to my 9" roundback rear end housing to give me the strength of a niner and the look of a quickie. Can anybody identify the manufacturer? I would like to find a used / used up rear end cover for it but I don't know whose to look for. The single most distinguishing feature to me is the absence of a twelvth hole on the axle flange near the change gear case. If I have to I'll hog a rear end cover out of a billet of aluminum but the thought of a billet piece on this car makes me shudder.

Any ideas? Halibrand? Winters? Other?
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Post #156 by shortbox07 » Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:54 pm

i believe speedway sells a weld on piece that looks just like that. you trim it to fit for the 9" to get that look. if i had to take a guess id say its a winters probably from a sprint.
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Post #157 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Mon May 11, 2009 3:30 pm

Yup, its a Winters. Heres a pic trimmed to fit a 9".:

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Post #158 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Mon May 11, 2009 3:37 pm

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Post #159 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Tue May 19, 2009 11:59 pm

Here is the nosepiece:
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Post #160 by Anlushac11 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:59 pm

I cant wait to see that finished. I really love the look of the old classic open wheel racers.
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Post #161 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:17 pm

The rear suspension is completed:
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The chassis is finish welded:
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Work continues on the body sections. The rear section is roughed in:
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Post #162 by shmoozo » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:44 pm

I like what I am seeing. I'm guessing that the lower edges of the rear body section will be contour cut to get it sitting down lower onto the frame once it's a bit more complete, but that for now it's easier to just build it with straight bottom edges to simply the fabrication process.

It looks like you have the front axle way out in front of the engine. That appears like it will give you a fairly even weight distribution front to rear, and also stretches out the wheelbase which could also improve the ride quality and also the straight-line stability at speed.

Nice.

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Post #163 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:29 pm

The nosepiece will set further forward and cover the front axle. I am going to put the tie rod behind the axle as soon as I figure out the steering arm geometry. The tail will set down lower on the frame and a belly pan in the rear will all but cover up my "halibrand quick change". I need to establish the hood line. Once that is done I can place the steering box and hook up the steering. Then the cockpit and fuel system. Then test drive - whoohoo.

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If you know of a larger valve head diameter that can be cut down I can do this. Any suggestions?
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Post #164 by 66Sprint6 » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:15 pm

Goodness...i lost track of this project and just remembered it. You have come a long way, and its startin to get interesting! Cant wait to see whats next!!!
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Post #165 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:23 am

I found this movie link on another site. It stars Jack Nicholson and has some cool short track racing scenes in it about half way through the movie. Great inspiration for my project. Go Jack Go. By the way, the movie plot is horrible. The movie is called "Wild Ride". Enjoy

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Post #166 by Austin » Fri May 21, 2010 12:31 pm

this is the neatest 6 build i have ever seen its awsome
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Post #167 by worken2much » Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:02 am

Looking good! Just once you need to slap some big honkin Hoosiers on it and travel to Knoxville, Iowa for their annual vintage dirt event. Everything there from soup to nuts. Propane powered midgets, Red Ram hemi powered cageless wire wheel sprinters, 302 gmc six powered track t-roadsters. If those don't get your heart pumpin, you better go to see the doctor.

Your double overhead cam Ford / Duesy secret race six would fit right in. On track pace entirely up to driver. Stand on it, or motor around the bottom at 50 mph. Either case will leave you grinning like a fool for days. Knoxville sprint car museum located on back stretch is a must see as well. Cammer Ford sprinter on display plus many more.

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Post #168 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:01 pm

worken2much wrote: Stand on it, or motor around the bottom at 50 mph. Worken2much

For me motoring around the bottom would be standing on it as I have zero experience on dirt tracks.

Seriously, did somebody say 302 GMC track roadsters? Lemme at 'em!

I will put this event on my bucket list.
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Post #169 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:37 pm

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I had my chassis man bend up the main hoop for the roll bar. 1.5/8 DOM x .134 wall.
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Post #170 by woodbutcher » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:21 pm

:beer: Hi FTF.Looking better all the time.
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Post #171 by MPGmustang » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:12 pm

I'm tempted to drive out where your gonna race it just to see this thing in person...
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Post #172 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:45 pm

Today I made the steering mounts. This crossmember will be mounted inside the frame rail and the dash wiring will be hidden inside it.
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Post #173 by FoMoCowboy » Fri May 20, 2011 1:01 pm

That is some awesome fabrication, I mostly ran through and looked at the pictures, but I'm assuming you did it all yourself. Amazing. should be alot of fun when its done!
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Post #174 by MustangSix » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:14 pm

So, what progress have you made in the past year?

I really want to see this car running!
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Post #175 by woodbutcher » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:23 pm

:beer: Better yet.Hear it run.And some action video.
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Post #176 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:42 pm

I put this car on the back burner, so to speak, to finish up the '46 truck I plan to use as its tow vehicle, and also to finish up "the Last Logghe altered " roadster which I also got running recently. Now that those two projects are running and nearly complete I will resume my efforts on this project in the Spring. I recently installed a set of straight-cut timing gears which should give this engine a nice whirr - like an old centrifugal supercharger might sound - but I got the timing on the cam off so it has to come back apart to reset the cam timing. I also visited with noted sprint / champ / midget car restorer Josh Shaw of Cincinnati last week to pick his brain and get inspired by some of the restoration projects he is working on.

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Post #177 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:38 am

Josh let me squeeze into one of their customers restoration cars. By the way if you want a replica of this car they can entirely reproduce one for a little under...


...ONE MEEELION dollars.
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Post #178 by bubba22349 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:12 pm

:hmmm: It looks like a tight fit, bet that would be a fun ride :nod:

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Post #179 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:32 pm

bubba22349 wrote::hmmm: It looks like a tight fit...


I'll say. The steering wheel is cut away so only 270 degrees of it remains. That is so you can clock the opening to get one leg in the footwall then move the wheel opening to allow the other leg to enter the footwell. But as Mr. Shaw says, recalling his very successful career as a driver of more modern sprint cars once you are in "I fit perfectly." That's my story.
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Post #180 by bubba22349 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:19 pm

:thumbup: so you wear it. I never had the chance to see one up close
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Post #181 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:23 pm

Pretty much. Also no doubt the drivers of the day were at least a foot shorter than me. On my car I am using a C4 trans behind the engine instead of direct drive. That will give me an additional foot of leg room vs an original. The body is going to be a skosch taller too.
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Post #182 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Fri May 11, 2012 9:38 am

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I found a nice crab-style distributor cap last weekend. I plan to mount it on a dummy distributor off the end of one of the cam towers. It is a six cylinder cap of unknown make. Anybody have a clue as to what it originally fit? I made a simple base for it and will run a cloth covered wire to it and maybe an external brass capacitor a la Mallory.

Originally I was going to use a flattie cap, but this one works better. I may have to blister the hood to fit it in there. Or just mount it on the rear of one of the cam towers. We'll see.

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Post #183 by clintonvillian » Thu May 31, 2012 9:29 pm

What thickness of steel did you use for the headers, and flanges?

I saw a .25" on the aluminum intake is that correct? Any reason the intake couldn't be made out of some thinner/lighter stainless???

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Post #184 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Thu May 31, 2012 11:17 pm

Exhaust: .060 on the primaries; .070 on the pipe

Intake: .375 flange; .125 on the runners.
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THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER wrote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I found a nice crab-style distributor cap last weekend. I plan to mount it on a dummy distributor off the end of one of the cam towers. It is a six cylinder cap of unknown make. Anybody have a clue as to what it originally fit?


Seems like I recall seeing this type of cap on an old farm tractor. Oliver, maybe?
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Post #186 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:41 pm

I fitted up the spindles, made a new tie rod and mounted the "distributor" off the cam cover:


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Now I can mount the steering box, make a drag link, a front panard bar, and lever shocks.
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Post #187 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:35 pm

Here is the steering box mounted on the frame:

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Now I need a drag link and steering wheel adapter then I can make the rest of the front of the body work.
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Post #188 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:30 pm

Another silly little detail job - a stone/mud guard to go in front of the front axle. Most stone guards were crude "chicken wire" affaies. I made this one and ran it through the beader to offset flange the edge, then powdercoated it black and put a brushed aluminum framework around it. I'll stencil the car number on it later.



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Post #189 by bubba22349 » Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:49 pm

:thumbup: FTF, you sure do nice work :nod:
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Post #190 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:41 pm

bubba22349 wrote::thumbup: FTF, you sure do nice work :nod:


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Post #191 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:16 pm

I did some more work on the driver compartment buck. This buck is a little unique in that I am making it to fit onto the chassis with the steering components in place so I can shape the body in situ.

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I blanked out the side panels.

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Next, roughed out the firewall with room to fit over the trans hump.
Then started to fit up the sides.

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Re: The new OLD FTF gets a "Duesenberg DOHC 4-valve"

Post #192 by otto69 » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:03 am

Excellent project you've got going there :thumbup:
Great work

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Re: The new OLD FTF gets a "Duesenberg DOHC 4-valve"

Post #193 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:54 pm

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The cowl is roughed in. It will be trimmed, rolled and wired on the top edge. A cutout will be added for the strreing arm, and a gage panel added below the steering wheel.
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Re: The new OLD FTF gets a "Duesenberg DOHC 4-valve"

Post #194 by 1986F150six » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:09 am

You are so very talented and diligent. Thanks for sharing!

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Re: The new OLD FTF gets a "Duesenberg DOHC 4-valve"

Post #195 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:45 pm

After some hammering and some welding and some more hammering the cowl looks like this:

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Now it needs to be fitted to the chassis, edge wired, skim coated and detailed.
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Re: The new OLD FTF gets a "Duesenberg DOHC 4-valve"

Post #196 by bubba22349 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:31 pm

Very nice metal work :thumbup:
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Re: The new OLD FTF gets a "Duesenberg DOHC 4-valve"

Post #197 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:26 am

Body panels in place. Steering needs to be hooked up next.

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Re: The new OLD FTF gets a "Duesenberg DOHC 4-valve"

Post #198 by clintonvillian » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:26 am

Looking real good. Curious to see how it sounds!

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Post #199 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:03 am

Thanks. I'll get some audible vids and hopefully some in-car shots out on the track - and maybe in traffic. But that's a long way off. I can be VERY patient.

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Re: The new OLD FTF gets a "Duesenberg DOHC 4-valve"

Post #200 by clintonvillian » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:31 pm

French,

Have you or anyone you know ran an intake made similar to yours? I am wondering if there are any ill affects of having the square corners inside the intake instead of a nice fillet in them???

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