Engines out, what would you do??

Just brought home an '83 200 myself... Grey, C3 tranny, low mount starter. I was hoping it was a high mount... I could have used this thread earlier! At least I can still put the head to good use.
 
lahti35":2wlffa01 said:
Just brought home an '83 200 myself... Grey, C3 tranny, low mount starter. I was hoping it was a high mount... I could have used this thread earlier! At least I can still put the head to good use.

Its Amercian, freedom ensures that its gonna get complicated only if you loose your lanuage....you stop talking about it, you loose it...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUCCGsAKt58 (Wakapedia, a song about when you loose your mother tongue)

It won't be a low mount C3...all Bordeux French trans were blue high mount engine blocks like this...even until the very last June 1983 3.3 X code Ford LTD of 1983, which still had a painted engine, and Proof of the concurancy of the two blocks in the early 80's is this:-

10
E1BE
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block casting.

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lahti35, it'll be a low mount C5 like these repainted engines, which only ever got one gearbox, the C5 lock-up clutch auto. , and the similar to it C4 was always a high mount.



Check for the CJ232AB front rocker decal, should be gray colored rocker and block.




Like Lincs 200's Grey transmission in the post.

Linc's 200":2wlffa01 said:
Downpipe near trans bell, multiple compound angles not noticable (starter is in a bad place!!)

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another angle of downpipe separation flange, near trans bell:

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.........


I wouldn't recomend a low mount on a pre mid year 62 unibody Ford, but...you can easily clearance it if you have to.

Here's how...


I'd still say you can use it, you just have to clearance the early firewall sheet metal. You drop the engine, and clear the carpet and make sure your sealant doesn't go on fire by having a CO2 extingisher at hand. Then go to it!, and grab a sledge hammer, propane torch, and heat and bend untill its clear. Sand back, Etch rpime, and POR15, then repaint. The steering arm can be easily flipped at the same time.

Its best not to use the low mount, but it doesn't mean you can't. If the engines out, you can make room for the huge 164 teeth bellhousing low mount gear box.
 
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I decided to just throw up some pictures to clear up any questions/confusion. According to the fordsix 200cid casting numbers page, the block is of the '75-80 type, and the head is of the '81-83. Seems a lil confusing, but the colors match. Doesn't mean the head is original.
As for transmission, the falcon currently has the 2 spd. I'd like to eventually swap over to the c4. will there an issue mounting the 2spd to the 200cid?
That's what i've got right now. I took the head down to a gentleman's place that'll be doing the work and was told it had not been through the mill ever. So this takes me down the road of milling the head to boost CR, and swapping the rocker arms over to my 170cid adjustable ones. I'll check up on the faces of the rockers, and see if that's even in my cards.
1961 Ford Falcon
Party on wayne
 
And I'm gonna venture to say the distributor is pretty darn similar to whats running on my 170. The cap resembles whats already on mine. Am i correct to say the top is the duraspark, cause the bottoms mine. Cheers

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xctasy":15l1nh0i said:
lahti35":15l1nh0i said:
Just brought home an '83 200 myself... Grey, C3 tranny, low mount starter. I was hoping it was a high mount... I could have used this thread earlier! At least I can still put the head to good use.

Its Amercian, freedom ensures that its gonna get complicated only if you loose your lanuage....you stop talking about it, you loose it...

wakapedia_large.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUCCGsAKt58 (Wakapedia, a song about when you loose your mother tongue)

It won't be a low mount C3...all Bordeux French trans were blue high mount engine blocks like this...even until the very last June 1983 3.3 X code Ford LTD of 1983, which still had a painted engine, and Proof of the concurancy of the two blocks in the early 80's is this:-

10
E1BE
6015FA

block casting.

hIGHMOUNT1981E1BE6015FA100_0920.jpg






lahti35, it'll be a low mount C5 like these repainted engines, which only ever got one gearbox, the C5 lock-up clutch auto. , and the similar to it C4 was always a high mount.



Check for the CJ232AB front rocker decal, should be gray colored rocker and block.




Like Lincs 200's Grey transmission in the post.

Linc's 200":15l1nh0i said:
Downpipe near trans bell, multiple compound angles not noticable (starter is in a bad place!!)

9fc97de8.jpg


another angle of downpipe separation flange, near trans bell:

b62f2f3f.jpg


.........


I wouldn't recomend a low mount on a pre mid year 62 unibody Ford, but...you can easily clearance it if you have to.

Here's how...


I'd still say you can use it, you just have to clearance the early firewall sheet metal. You drop the engine, and clear the carpet and make sure your sealant doesn't go on fire by having a CO2 extingisher at hand. Then go to it!, and grab a sledge hammer, propane torch, and heat and bend untill its clear. Sand back, Etch rpime, and POR15, then repaint. The steering arm can be easily flipped at the same time.

Its best not to use the low mount, but it doesn't mean you can't. If the engines out, you can make room for the huge 164 teeth bellhousing low mount gear box.


Its actually for a '64 falcon wagon I just picked up... I've got a 250/toploader 3 speed going into the '61.

I'm not going to try and make it fit in the '64... I'm going to pick up a nice running '66 200 with a C4 Saturday that will drop right in. I'll steal the large log head off the '83 for a swap onto the 200 at a later date after I get it all running.

Great info on the high/low mount tranny combo's... gets confusing with all the changes made to these engines over the years.
 
"...head off the '83 for a swap onto the 200 at a later date…"
Do U still have that clay spor U made an adapter from a yr or so ago?
Will U need that again?
 
chad":msaqm0ar said:
"...head off the '83 for a swap onto the 200 at a later date…"
Do U still have that clay spor U made an adapter from a yr or so ago?
Will U need that again?

Not sure what a clay spor is?
 
slimjimandtherats":z9mog4i9 said:
And I'm gonna venture to say the distributor is pretty darn similar to whats running on my 170. The cap resembles whats already on mine. Am i correct to say the top is the duraspark, cause the bottoms mine. Cheers

Yeah, it's got a points distributor, you're going to want to upgrade that to a DSII
 
Any chance of just re-purposing the pertronix load o matic i've got in the falcon already? Secondly, is there a year range i would have to stick with to run the durasparkII? I'm leaning toward keeping the distributor for now and searching the junk yards at a later date (que joy division background music). Thirdly, is the distributor model specific? Could i swap the a 250cid distributor in its place? cheers, party on
 
200 or 250 use the same dist. You could use a LoM distributor, but it's not going to work right, or at least as designed, with any carb that bolts to that head afaik. Unless maybe a 240 LoM carb??? You could use a later points, non LoM distributor with your pertronix. I have a nice one I'd sell cheap I pulled from my 70 250 if you're interested. It a 2 port vacuum type, but I don't think that matters, just use the advance port I think.
 
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Is this a thing? this autolite 1100 carb doesn't have vent valve/rod like most that i see on the market. It's been plugged with a red stopper and is missing the rod assembly all together. it only has one of the two pumps i see on most. It has the pump lever assembly, and not the dashpot and lever like i see on the rebuild schematics. Just curious. Cheers

Heres the schematics via mikes carbs
http://www.carburetor-parts.com/assets/ ... s/K436.pdf
 
The 1100 on my 170 is like that, except the plug is aluminum and was driven in. I replaced that plug when I rebuilt it iirc, it came in the kit.
 
Looks like you'll hafta rebuild that carb.
I'm thinkin if U want a lill pep, reliability, economy, & available prts Y not go to the non-LOM/SCV system & use DS II?
Classic Inlines archive (here @ the Index page) & the "Handbook" (20 $ frm Matt @ VintageInlines) will bring U far in this process.
After a ck w/1 or each you'll have the knowledge to ask the pertinant Qs for ur individual and specific build.
Again, just ME thinkin (U did ask)...
 
Howdy Jim:

The carb in the photo is likely an 1100 from a 1964 170 or 200 with a manual trans. If the tag can be believed? Only one dashpot means manual trans. The only way to tell if its from a 170 or 200 is to measure the inner diameter of the venturi on the inside.

The plug is access to another floor bowl vent that is throttle accuated.

The early, 1963& 64 1101s used on cars with a 223 six will work with your LoM and Petronix Ignitor. More flow with a 210 cfm rating.

Adios, David
 
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