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Saw this photo at the Petersen Museum- interesting!

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Saw this photo at the Petersen Museum- interesting!

Post #1 by gus91326 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:58 pm

So I was at the Petersen and I saw the Shelby-De Tomaso prototype. What I found interesting was not the car, but the engine in the foreground- anybody know anything about it?

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Re: Saw this photo at the Petersen Museum- interesting!

Post #2 by KYMav250 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:45 pm

Hmm, looks like it could be an AMC Dlifford cover? Or some variation of an old Clifford cover? That would be my best guess, other than an Eldelbrock one.

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Post #3 by chad » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:34 pm

is that a weber to the right? (what is it - a ICD?....what ever the big side draft carb is they have),
or
what?
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Post #4 by xctasy » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:19 pm

Kent 1500 OHV non cross flow that Alessandro used in his early mid engined experimentals. At that time, they were limited to one DCOE 45 mm carb.

Im a de Tomaso lover from way back :mrgreen:
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Post #5 by chad » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:11 pm

'45' ?
looks huge...intake runners only split into two (must B 3 lill ones on each side"
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Post #6 by xctasy » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:15 pm

NNEC


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NNEC=Not Nearly Enough Carb.

As we have discussed tho'....one barrel per two cylinders can work simply fantastically.

My mate had a Twin Weber DCOE 42 with four 32 mm chokes (from a 1964 Maserati GT3500), and his Harry Potter Ford Anglia did 15.9 second quarter miles and 130 mph. Something like 127 hp at the flywheel
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Post #7 by chad » Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:36 am

Oz 250 x-flow?
how can only one cyl B 'left over'?
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
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Post #8 by xctasy » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:55 pm

Nope, not cross flow. Its was convertef to s cross flow engine in 1968, after being turned into the Lotud Twin Cam 1558 cc engine very early on.

Built at the Kent transfer line on Dagenham. It was made only in four cylinder form but it used duplicate 3.78 inch bore spacing machines from the 4 cylinder Council and 6 cylinder Zephyr and Zodiac from 1951-1966. The Valenica and HSC industrial engine version of it is still being made today.
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Post #9 by chad » Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:07 pm

so the 'Burton" U show is a 4 cyl and in the De Tomaso gus posted?
It looks like a x-flow as I C no ex ports on this intake side.
How can the DCO(E?)s leave the 1 intake port uncovered?
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
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Post #11 by chad » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:48 am

um, er, ah...
OK!
:oops:
Thanks!

Now - that's not the motor in gus' pic is it?
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
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Post #12 by xctasy » Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:27 pm

chad wrote:um, er, ah...
OK!
:oops:
Thanks!

Now - that's not the motor in gus' pic is it?



It IS the engine in Gus' pic.

The very same kind. KENT Non Cross Flow 1500 Ohv.

If you look closely at the open wheeler, the black tube "extractor" header exhaust is on the same side as the intake...no cross flow.
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Post #13 by chad » Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:10 pm

Oh, OK, I see it underneath, B4 the collectors.
Can't tel what side (engine) frm pic bur...!
That's quit the 4 banger!
My Fiat '60s/'70s spyders, Alfas, the 80s Lancia B/C were nuttin like thisun...
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
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