1970 ford ranchero cylinder head

68_sixpeashooter

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Hello Everyone,

I've been on the look out for a late model cylinder head for my 68 mustang 200 cid. After looking around everywhere I found a 1970 ford ranchero 250 cid cylinder head on rockauto.com I don't know if I should buy it because I don't know if it will fit on my mustang. Here's the numbers they have on the website for the cylinder head 1 3/4" CARB INT, CAST NO: C9OE-M, C9DE-M, D8BE-BA, D7BE-AB, D5DE-BA.

If anyone can help me out it will be highly appreciated.

Thanks,
Peashooter
 
The 200/250 heads, on any given year, are identical, and should work on your car. The issue is that there may be some creep of those heads from year to year. As I recall, the largest changes between the C8 head you have and the C9-D4 (69+74) orn D7-E0 (77-80) head is the larger intaker log, and a larger combustion chamber. I actually have a couple C9 heads I plan to work with unless i can find a late 70's "large hex log" head with the hardened exhaust seats. The D7, D8, D9 heads would be be the best, especially if one was the 'hex log' head as it would have the largest intake, largest valves, and hardened valve seats.

Potentially, the Combustion Chamber increases from ~52cc to 62cc, lowering compression and fun. Measuring would be parmount, and milling the head would be best to control that. Are you replacing for a repair reason, or improving the performance? As a repair, you'd want to match the combustion chambers via milling. if you are interested in performance upgrades, then you'll start calculating and would probablt want smaller than stock combustion chambers. But that's a larger question.
 
My stock cylinder head is bad and it fouls out my spark plugs. I didn't want to rebuild it because I know it would be better to just find a larger head. So its little bit of both for repair and performance. If I buy the cylinder head would it be a direct bolt on? Or would I have to make some modifications?

Thanks,
 
Howdy Peashooter:

Yes, this head will fit on to your '68 200. I don't know what your goal is in upgrading your cylinder head, but in comparing the C9-M heat to your (I'm assuming) '68 head, this is how they compare;

Intake tract volumes- C9 = 1240 cc, C8 1100 cc.
Chamber volumes- C9 = 62 ccs (Approximately), C8 = 52 ccs.
Carb hole- C9 = 1.75", C8 = 1.5".
Intake and exhaust valves are the same; 1.65" intake and 1.38" exhaust. Neither of these heads had hardened valve seats.
The other noticeable difference is that the C9-M head has a flat-topped intake log making it desireable when modifying to direct mount a two barrel carb.

If I were in your shoes, I'd be looking for a D7 and later casting. These later castings have the 1.75" intake valves and induction hardened valve seats. As long as your shopping you'd get more performance and durability for the same money as the M head.

FYI- you will need to mill both the M head and a D7 head to reduce chamber volumes to maintain stock compression and to compensate for the thicker composite head gaskets now available. .050" to regain 52 cc chambers and .025" to compensate for gasket thickness differences. So buying a head that has already had a valve job is of little advantage because you will have to disassemble it again to have the milling done.

I hope that is helpful to you.

Adios, David
 
Go to http://www.car-part.com and search for a 1980 Ford Fairmont, Engine Cylinder Head, Sort by Distance, input your zip code, click Search, and choose 6-200 (3.3L)

When I did this I got over 2 pages of cylinder heads ranging in price from $65 to $250. These would all be either D7 or E0 cast heads.

If I knew where you live, I could have narrowed the search down.

Good Luck
 
rocklord":14s0zskv said:
Go to http://www.car-part.com and search for a 1980 Ford Fairmont, Engine Cylinder Head, Sort by Distance, input your zip code, click Search, and choose 6-200 (3.3L)

When I did this I got over 2 pages of cylinder heads ranging in price from $65 to $250. These would all be either D7 or E0 cast heads.

If I knew where you live, I could have narrowed the search down.

Good Luck

Thanks a lot! I found the (3.3L) 200 fairmont cylinder head. Do you know if this would be a direct bolt on? And is this cylinder head a D7 or E0?
 
Howdy Back Peashooter:

YEs, the head is a direct bolt on- BUT, it will have larger volume chambers of approximately 62 ccs, compared to 52 on your '68 head. If you just bolt it on you will lose compression ratio- from about 9:1 down to 8:1- not what you want. You will likely be using an after market head gasket which is about .025" thicker than the stock OEM steel shim head gaskets, that are no longer available. To compensate you will need to mill the late model head .075" to get back to 9:1 CR.

You will also want to consider a carb upgrade. Your stock '68 autolite 1100 is downsized to a 150 cfm version, but you got a better distributor with real vacuum and mechanical advance. The carb you want is a 1101 Autolite from a '69 Mustang with a 250 engine. It will match your current linkage. If you want to upgrade to a Carter from 1970 and later you would have several choices; both a yf type and an RBS, but they will take a different linkage.

Hope that helps.

Adios, David
 
Thanks a lot David. Your always very helpful. I will keep everyone updated on how my project is going. So far so good.

Thanks,
Peashooter
 
68_sixpeashooter":2mic5f3v said:
My stock cylinder head is bad and it fouls out my spark plugs. I didn't want to rebuild it because I know it would be better to just find a larger head. So its little bit of both for repair and performance. If I buy the cylinder head would it be a direct bolt on? Or would I have to make some modifications?

Thanks,
I think you should rebuild your cylinder head. You will have several advantages to doing this:

1) You know your cylinder head will work on your car fine(once freshened up)
2) You never know the quality of the machine work or head casting you are getting from a mail order rebuilder
3) You will retain the correct compression as needed for your engine
4) You will be keeping your cylinder head
 
CNC-Dude If I were to just rebuild my stock cylinder head will it offer me the same performance as a later one? How come everyone tells me to swap it out? First time someone tells me to keep it.
 
As David pointed out, you will loose a minimum of 1 compression point swapping to the later head. So I don't think what you will gain by using it as far as runner volume and otherwise is going to offset the compression lose. You can put larger valves and do a performance valve job on your cylinder head and keep the compression higher. I think in the end I you will have a better compromise and better head with bigger valves and good compression using your head vs. less compression and anything else the later head might give you as an advantage. Of course, keep in mind you can put more money into the later head to re-gain the compression, but again your end goal should dictate how far you really need to upgrade to suit you.
 
Howdy Back Peashooter:

Your original thread inquery was "Will the later heads be bolt ons to your '68 engine." The basic answers was "Yes, but". You said your goal was increase performance and cleaning up oil contamination of your spark plugs.

Then Dude suggests that you keep you '68 head and modify it. All this confused you and you asked for more pros and cons. So let's start from the beginning.

Your 68 200 engine stock is down size on performance when compared to earlier 200s because FoMoCo reduce the carb cfm size, from 185 to 150cfm, to improve mileage and reduce emissions, but they added a better distributor with both centrifugal and real vacuum advance with both advance and retard capabilities, again for better emission numbers. So, given that, then what.

Your oil contaminated spark plugs are likely due to bad valve guide seals. Or possibly ring seal. Best way to know is to do a compression check. If the cylinder pressures are good, then you can likely conclude that the problem is the valve guide seals. It is possible to replace the seals without removing the cylinder head. You can buy seals separately for about $25. They come in a valve job gasket kit for about $60. The Kit includes a head gasket as well as all other gasket to replace a head.

If you were to remove and redo your '68 head and upgrade as Dude suggests it will require a valve job gasket set. The machining to do a performance valve job will include a surface mill cut to true the mating surface of the head. The head gasket in the gasket kit will be a thicker composite type which will reduce compression ratio unless the head is milled more that the truing surface cut to maintain stock CR. Upgrades to come up to a D7 head would be a set of 1.75" intake valves and having hardened valve seats installed. There goes any savings by staying with your '68 head. The remaining difference is that the intake tract volume of the '68 head is 1100ccs. The later heads come in at 1,345ccs. There is no reasonable way to make up for that difference.

The cons with the later head is that the carb mounting adapter, linkage, fuel lines and air cleaners are different. This problem requires some problem solving, but addresses the biggest performance short coming of a stock '68 200- the downsized carb. There are several solutions, as retaining your stock, downsized carb is one of them. The other is an additional mill cut to reduce chamber volume, not a big deal.

So, all things considered, keeping and reconditioning your stock head is reasonable, but only if you intend to remain mostly stock. If you do decide to go this route consider limiting you upgrades to milling .025" to compensate for the thicker replacement head gasket and then specify to the machinist that you want at least a three angle seat cut, along with a 30 degree back cut on the intake valve. The recon head will be assembled with new valve guide seals, mostly likely solving the spark plug problem. I would choose that route only if I planned to use stock exhaust manifold and stock carb.

IF I were planning to improve performance beyond the above, then I would go for the late model head. I'd find a donor Fairmont or Granada at the recycle yard and go from there. I might grab the Dura Spark II ignition system from the same donor, but that's another story. Most recycle yard heads can be had for less than $100. I've never paid more than $50. Next take it to your machinist for disassembly, cleaning and inspection, then the machining. Remember that you are driving your car the whole time. Once the new head is ready, unbolt the old and bolt on the new. You are now ready for improved exhaust and a bigger carb (?). A typical valve job in my area is about $200 on a six cylinder head. You will have to check on prices in your area. That price will be the same for either head, except for the added cost of installing hardened seats in the '68 head.

So, after all that, you will be money and performance ahead with a late model head. And the head will support other future upgrades. And you were able to drive your car while the prep to the head was being done. Equals less down time.

Back to the beginning! Start with a cylinder pressure check and go from there.

So, more to think about. What do you think?

Adios, David
 
3 issues if I could:

I have a 67 200 are my specs the same as peashooter?

Does anyone have a picture of the 70s-80 head? What makes the log larger the diameter of the log itself or the carb hole diameter or a combination of each?

I have a cracked bolt die on my manifold and have been considering an EFI conversion which would involve head/intake mods anyway, just a fuel conversion at this point. This would be a good time to upgrade the head, besides the issues shared with peashooter do I have additional issues.?

Thanks
Denny
 
Howdy Denny:

Q-I have a 67 200 are my specs the same as peashooter?
A- On the head, Yes, the c7 casting and the C8 castings are identical.
Fortunately you will have the bigger CFM carb. Unfortunately, you have the less desireable Load-o-Matic distributor.

Q- What makes the log larger the diameter of the log itself or the carb hole diameter or a combination of each?
A- Yes, both. The log is physically larger both inside and out and has a larger carb hole.

Q- I have a cracked bolt die on my manifold and have been considering an EFI conversion which would involve head/intake mods anyway, just a fuel conversion at this point. This would be a good time to upgrade the head, besides the issues shared with peashooter do I have additional issues?
A- I have no experience with converting to EFI So can't comment. IF it works I sure want to hear about it. This should be a new thread too. Others may have some info.

Adios, David
 
Great info as always David. :thumbup:

My plan is to get the larger cylinder head. Dude did confuse me a bit, but since performance is my future plan I'm going for the larger head. Seems like there's lots of benefits from it. In regards to the bigger carb when I'm shopping for one which one would be best? Earlier you told me the autolite 1101 from a 69' mustang would be good for the larger head. Since I'm gonna be putting a 2v carb I've heard weber carbs are pretty good.

Also, right now I have the petronix ignition. The DUI ignition is suppose to be the best and I plan to get that one soon. I know its a bit expensive but is it worth the cost?


Thanks a lot,
Peashooter
 
CZLN6":pb6owooj said:
Howdy Back Peashooter:
Your oil contaminated spark plugs are likely due to bad valve guide seals. Or possibly ring seal. Best way to know is to do a compression check. If the cylinder pressures are good, then you can likely conclude that the problem is the valve guide seals. It is possible to replace the seals without removing the cylinder head. You can buy seals separately for about $25. They come in a valve job gasket kit for about $60. The Kit includes a head gasket as well as all other gasket to replace a head.
Adios, David

How can I do to replace the seals without removing the cylinder head ?

Thanks
 
1966_l6":1pawbk0l said:
How can I do to replace the seals without removing the cylinder head ?

Thanks

Really darn easily, this one. Buy the right replacement cups after checking with Classic Inlines. Mine cost 20 NZ$ from Ford for my 1963 sprec items.
Pop the rocker cover, remove the rocker shaft and plugs, and after finding top dead centre in N0.1 cylinder, feed one foot of string through the sparking plug hole. Then remove the very lightly loaded spring and keeper from the valve using the right type of valve spring compressor. The intake and exhast valve won't drop out at No1. Replace the cups. refit the springs and retainers after the cup renewal. Do the adjacent cylinders which are also at top dead centre by adding one foot of string, then you'll have the job done in two hours tops. Don't forget to remove the string...

Same work can be done with an air compressor with a 14 or 18 mm spark plug attachment, and a small amount of residual air flow from the compressor.
 
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