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Are there any pros and cons with using a 200 six out of a 1978 or 1979 model versus a later model such as a 1983? I do plan to make some modifications.
Howdy Katdaddy:
The '83 block uses the low mount starter, as well as a different type bellhousing that 63comet described. These blocks have become known as "big bell" blocks and are advantageous when switching to a V8 tranny. If you're planning to use the '83 engine and trans that would not be a problem. But the trans mount might be- depending on what it came from and what it is going into.
Some installations of the 200 used a very odd exhaust manifold with the catyletic converter mounted to it. It can be replaced with an earlier exhaust manifold or a header.
We may be able to be more helpful if you told us more about your intended use.
Adios, David
The '83 block uses the low mount starter, as well as a different type bellhousing that 63comet described. These blocks have become known as "big bell" blocks and are advantageous when switching to a V8 tranny. If you're planning to use the '83 engine and trans that would not be a problem. But the trans mount might be- depending on what it came from and what it is going into.
Some installations of the 200 used a very odd exhaust manifold with the catyletic converter mounted to it. It can be replaced with an earlier exhaust manifold or a header.
We may be able to be more helpful if you told us more about your intended use.
Adios, David
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82 and 83 blocks also saw the return of forged steel rods.
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I want to install a 200 in my 64 falcon. I currently have a 170 w/2 spd. fordomatic. In looking for an engine I wanted to try and find the most versatile one to work with or should I look for individual components? I plan on making modifications such as headers and fuel along with duraspark II ign. I understand 77 and later heads are best to start with. Another area in question is there a particular year model for trans interchange ? The 2 spd I have is in good shape or look for C4 or AOD??
Katdaddy - If you're going to start with your 2-spd Ford-o-matic and then upgrade, then you want to be sure and get a block with the dual bellhousing bolt pattern like the one on the left below:
Note the block on the right only has the early pattern that would accept your 2-spd auto but not a C4 or AOD.
I don't know for sure about the '64 Falcon, but the round bodied versions are pretty tight in the tranny tunnel and you may have to "massage" yours to make an AOD fit.
C6 through C9 200 blocks will have the dual bellhousing pattern. However, I do not know when Ford quit casting them that way (1970?) so you should look carefully when checking out a block.
The D-II is a drop in for these blocks (will fit all post '64 blocks) if you find all the components from a donor car.
Note the block on the right only has the early pattern that would accept your 2-spd auto but not a C4 or AOD.
I don't know for sure about the '64 Falcon, but the round bodied versions are pretty tight in the tranny tunnel and you may have to "massage" yours to make an AOD fit.
C6 through C9 200 blocks will have the dual bellhousing pattern. However, I do not know when Ford quit casting them that way (1970?) so you should look carefully when checking out a block.
The D-II is a drop in for these blocks (will fit all post '64 blocks) if you find all the components from a donor car.
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"I don't know for sure about the '64 Falcon, but the round bodied versions are pretty tight in the tranny tunnel and you may have to "massage" yours to make an AOD fit
I do not believe the 64-65's need any massaging to the trans tunnel. Not completely sure but feel that you can get them in there easier than the round bodies.. The speedomoeter cable needs some work i remember. I think the trans bracket needs to be notched on the side where the cable is.
Darin
I do not believe the 64-65's need any massaging to the trans tunnel. Not completely sure but feel that you can get them in there easier than the round bodies.. The speedomoeter cable needs some work i remember. I think the trans bracket needs to be notched on the side where the cable is.
Darin
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The dual pattern block was used later than 1970. I have a '78 block with the dual pattern. So, it shouldn't be a problem finding one that'll work.
Howdy katdaddy and All:
If I were in your shoes, I'd pull the original 170 and 2 spd auto and store them away safely, and look for a '78 and later donor vehicle that has the engine/tranny combo that you want. That way you know everything will go together as planned. Compare the shape of the pan and the pulley system to your original 170 for clearance. Look for a donor that has been rear ended, but is in otherwise good shape. Check the plugs for inner condition. This way you get everything from the Air cleaner system to the drain plug- including the best head and ignition system. Get the driveshaft and trans mount too. When you need parts you ask the counter man for a part for whatever the donor was.
If restoration ever becomes important to you or the next owner, you have the original engine/trans ready to go.
You will love the difference of the later, and larger engine and the three speed tranny.
Adios, David
If I were in your shoes, I'd pull the original 170 and 2 spd auto and store them away safely, and look for a '78 and later donor vehicle that has the engine/tranny combo that you want. That way you know everything will go together as planned. Compare the shape of the pan and the pulley system to your original 170 for clearance. Look for a donor that has been rear ended, but is in otherwise good shape. Check the plugs for inner condition. This way you get everything from the Air cleaner system to the drain plug- including the best head and ignition system. Get the driveshaft and trans mount too. When you need parts you ask the counter man for a part for whatever the donor was.
If restoration ever becomes important to you or the next owner, you have the original engine/trans ready to go.
You will love the difference of the later, and larger engine and the three speed tranny.
Adios, David
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Thanks for all the info 
Taking the 200 buildup alittle further I was wondering if there was any info on the two different blocks used between 1977 and 1983. I believe one cast # D8BE-GD or D7BE-AA block with a crank cast 1H and another option is E1BE-BB with A1BE-CC 3H crankshaft ? I guess what my question is if i find an engine without tranny as a package what is the easiest way to tell it will accept a C4 or AOD? I called on a 200 out of a 82 cougar that had a C5 ?
Taking the 200 buildup alittle further I was wondering if there was any info on the two different blocks used between 1977 and 1983. I believe one cast # D8BE-GD or D7BE-AA block with a crank cast 1H and another option is E1BE-BB with A1BE-CC 3H crankshaft ? I guess what my question is if i find an engine without tranny as a package what is the easiest way to tell it will accept a C4 or AOD? I called on a 200 out of a 82 cougar that had a C5 ?Phil,
I'll stick in my two cents here too. ANY block that I've ever seen from '68 to '78 was dual drilled. Some assembly plants started using the low mounted starter in '79, some in '80, and all by the end of '81. Darn bean-counters at Ford that just couldn't make a change on a set date and be done with it.
I think that the only real difference between a '68 block and a '78 block is 10 years. Yes, there are some tabs and bolt hole differences, but I've never really studied them. I have a '68 and a '78 block in my working garage across town, but I've shoved them into the corner for the winter. If I can't stand not knowing on Monday, I'll pull them out. I just love to know things.
I'll stick in my two cents here too. ANY block that I've ever seen from '68 to '78 was dual drilled. Some assembly plants started using the low mounted starter in '79, some in '80, and all by the end of '81. Darn bean-counters at Ford that just couldn't make a change on a set date and be done with it.
I think that the only real difference between a '68 block and a '78 block is 10 years. Yes, there are some tabs and bolt hole differences, but I've never really studied them. I have a '68 and a '78 block in my working garage across town, but I've shoved them into the corner for the winter. If I can't stand not knowing on Monday, I'll pull them out. I just love to know things.
David -
Hehehe, ain't that the truth!
Dennis -
I don't know why I was under the impression that Ford may have dropped the dual pattern around 1970. It's sure nice to know there's another 8 years or so of engines that are potential for those of us playing with early trannies.
Thanks guys! 8)
Hehehe, ain't that the truth!
Dennis -
I don't know why I was under the impression that Ford may have dropped the dual pattern around 1970. It's sure nice to know there's another 8 years or so of engines that are potential for those of us playing with early trannies.
Thanks guys! 8)
