250 head and header questions...

[DarkRose]

After much searching, stumbled across a non-integrated Australian 250-2v head and intake combo, looks to be good shape, supposedly pulled from a running motor...

How much is fair price for this, since I've not found one until now? Its got $750 on it at the moment... If that's too high, anywhere else a reliable/semi-regular source for these? The intake I could take or leave, really just want the head...

Also, 200-6, in a Fairmont Futura (Coupe, Fox-body): which headers from Clifford or Classic Inlines actually fit properly/well?

 

[Explorer]

Not much help, but I can say the Clifford header will give you starter clearance issues. I had to "modify" mine with a BFH and shorten the starter cable stud. Won't even get into customer support and shipping.

 

[chad]

reliable/semi-regular source
there's some Oz residents on this (different forum) and other sites that say "they're available Down Under & going to the crusher every day". Not needed there due to Ford of Austraila's advancement of the I6 beyond our humble weezer. Try them.

 

[rocklord]

How much is fair price for this, since I've not found one until now? Its got $750 on it at the moment... If that's too high, anywhere else a reliable/semi-regular source for these? The intake I could take or leave, really just want the head...

Also, 200-6, in a Fairmont Futura (Coupe, Fox-body): which headers from Clifford or Classic Inlines actually fit properly/well?

$750 isn't a bad price, but I wouldn't pay that much unless you were able to have it checked for cracks at a machine shop first. There isn't a reliable source for the head in the states; Oz is the only place, shipping is expensive ($300+ by boat) and your taking a gamble that the head is not cracked.

I'd recommend getting a header from CI. Mike makes a shorty one that fits both the 200 and 250 with pipes that are application dependent.

If you don't purchase the head, let us know on the forum who has it.

 

[DarkRose]

Well, after checking some things, at the moment, I don't think I can swing it, and still be financially responsible and all that, lol.

So, in all its glory, its at
Http://www.ausfordparts.com

Center row, all the way at the bottom, free shipping in lower 48 US.

 

[chad]

After much searching, stumbled across a non-integrated Australian 250-2v head and intake combo, looks to be good shape, supposedly pulled from a running motor...
How much is fair price for this, since I've not found one until now? Its got $750 on it at the moment... If that's too high, anywhere else a reliable/semi-regular source for these? The intake I could take or leave, really just want the head...
Also, 200-6, in a Fairmont Futura (Coupe, Fox-body): which headers from Clifford or Classic Inlines actually fit properly/well?

I wonder if just the intake only is available & 1 of "our heads" could be adapted. Guess then you'd hafta figure out the exh. manifold...

 

[rocklord]

Well, after checking some things, at the moment, I don't think I can swing it, and still be financially responsible and all that, lol.

So, in all its glory, its at
Http://www.ausfordparts.com

Center row, all the way at the bottom, free shipping in lower 48 US.

Did you speak to anyone at Aus Ford Parts? That advertisement has been up for years and he may not be selling them anymore.

 

[rocklord]

I wonder if just the intake only is available & 1 of "our heads" could be adapted. Guess then you'd hafta figure out the exh. manifold...

The 250 2V head uses the same exhaust manifold/header as "our head". Mike's alloy head was designed (based on the 250 2V head) so that people could just transfer performance parts from their log head (rockers, headers, valve covers) to it.

 

[chad]

Hi 'Rocky"!
So if the USA head was machined (@ that area) the separate Oz style 'removable' intake (like the 300's) could bolt up? Or no machining needed (for 1) it, or 2) the exhaust m.)?
TIA

 

[rocklord]

Hi 'Rocky"!
So if the USA head was machined (@ that area) the separate Oz style 'removable' intake (like the 300's) could bolt up? Or no machining needed (for 1) it, or 2) the exhaust m.)?
TIA

There is not enough metal on the US head to use the 250 2V OZ intake unless a plate is added after the log is machined off. Look at the pictures of Mike's alloy head and you will see the mating surface for the intake. The machined surface for the exhaust is the same on the US, 250 2V OZ, and Mike's alloy head.

Ford of Australia (FOA) originally used a head with the integrated (log) intake on the inline six, same as the US. In the 70s, FOA decided to upgrade the head with a removable intake to increase performance of the 250cid to compete with Holden (GM). 250 2V stands for 250cid, 2 barrel (V) carb. The 250 2V engine produced 170HP. This head was used until FOA came out with the Crossflow 4.1L engine in 1976.

Read about the Australian sixes here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Strai ... inline_six

 

[chad]

"...not enough metal on the US head to use the 250 2V OZ intake unless a plate is added after the log is machined off..."
"...The machined surface for the exhaust is the same on the US (I6 250/200 from mid/late 70s on)..."

my edit in parenthesis. So I've been following the discussion on the Oz developments (sixties thru today), the USA copy of the Oz copy, adapting one to the other, etc, and on & on. Goin to the Clifford and Inline sites. Follopwed the fella as he posted from FLA about puttin the x-flow in his 'stang about a decade ago (when I REALLY got interested & started it all for me)

My thoughts, uninformed by much automotive theory (as U may C from my posts here) was that a tq increase over the unmodified 250 could be had w/the "bolt on intake". I've heard a 1V carb increases tq and thought the two in combo would add an advantage. "Engine internal" upgrades would have to match for a durable result I'd assume. Basically I've been trying to adapt the vast amount of info U folks have provided here (& w/ur links) about HP increases to TQ (rather than hp) increases. Even w/o more auto theory I see there's a disconnect between the 2....

 

[choppmyride]

Hi every one
Perth Australia here
250 2V heads are going up in price , check ebay.com.au
trying to fit a 2V intake to a 250 log head would be a lot of work and expence
I havent seen CI head or know the price but I have origional 250 2 V head which is being used
Some times you have to spend for the HP & rare parts

Leon

 

[DarkRose]

Hi every one
Perth Australia here
250 2V heads are going up in price , check ebay.com.au
trying to fit a 2V intake to a 250 log head would be a lot of work and expence
I havent seen CI head or know the price but I have origional 250 2 V head which is being used
Some times you have to spend for the HP & rare parts

Leon

I did see a couple on ebay.com.au

OUCH man! I was seeing 1200-1500$AU

 

[chad]

Hi every one
Perth Australia here
250 2V heads are going up in price , check ebay.com.au
trying to fit a 2V intake to a 250 log head would be a lot of work and expence
I havent seen CI head or know the price but I have origional 250 2 V head which is being used
Some times you have to spend for the HP & rare parts
Leon

I did see a couple on ebay.com.au
OUCH man! I was seeing 1200-1500$AU

Better inc S/H. It's under $100 @ the yards there.