2v & Crossflow - prices & advice

TxAgs66

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Good morning all!

I am new to this crossflow thing, but I have a source to look in parts yards for me in Australia, specifically near Perth (Bicton/Fremantle 1 think).

Anyway, he is wanting to know a good asking price and what years to look for. I was thinking of a 2V first and maybe have him ship a crossflow over once Jack is through experimenting with adapting one to a 200.

Can you guys please load me up with advice!?

Thanks,

Jason
 
I can tell you straight up, you will spend more this way, than by approaching one of the established sources, for inclusion in a bulk shipment. Money out of your pocket for no gain... I know it sounds dull, but it's true.

What is your ultimate goal? What will make you happy (to the point where the "what if" moments are not clouding your horizon)? That will define the responses. :wink:

Regards, Adam.
 
Do your research. In the past, contacts like JD, Ausheads and Azcoupe (FSP) have been able to stay in touch with the forum, and be acountable for there shipping. Not everything has gone on without problems, and that is despite great credentials.

There are plenty of other options, but its the old rule. We trust those who have never done us any wrong, and a new face who tells us what we want to hear is often believed more than an old friend who has stuck with us through a tough situation.

My strongest suggestion is to use a reputable supplier. The waters are full of sharks. The good name of the supplier is reflected in the cost.

There are over 2000 members here looking out for one another, and there have been a few well documented instances of things going wrong.

Risks:

1. Less checking is done.

Loading is a one time prospect into a container, then the port authority organise there unloading to there schedule, not yours.

2. Cost is not high but risks are

Thats because your 2v head is just one fish in a pre-paid container. Unlike the shipping of freighted goods on the road, things in containers are never backloaded. Backloading is a technical term for offsetting cartage costs by having the returned journey paid for. The shipping industry is risk ridden, and they have wisely chose not to backload containers, as there may not be a return journey. The cost is fairly cheap for shipping, but the risks are a greater. The goods are not checked, and what happens at the ports is something you need to cover. Jack noted some protocols a while back on this.

3. Ports have protocols which you need to be aware of.

It's your responsibility to do the follow up on the logistics, and you can't blame the port for problems unless you know what's involved. It doesn't matter if you have an agreement that you think is cast iron.

It's not that the suppliers are uncompetitive, or anything suspect. If you have good experiences with importing other equipment, or have relatives the other side of the ditch, then go for it.
 
Jason,

The downside is that the price of shipping a 70 lb. box is the same as shipping a 1 ton 1 cubic meter crate, assuming you are sending by ocean. When I brought in the 250 2Vs I also brought in several pairs of Clevo heads to offset my costs, I did this several times and no hassles other than finding storage for the goods. Why not bring in 2 whole crossflow motors or several crossflow heads, cam, headers along with the 2V.

Make sure you contact the shipping agent in oz land prior to having the crate dropped of at the depot. Ask him/her to send a copies of the forms that the sender fills out. Then contact the warehouse where the crate will be sent once it arrives in USA, give them your contact information. Once the crate arrives you need to get copies of the Bill of Arrival and receipt. Take the receipt, Bill of Arrival and a signed Invoice to Customs to get a stamp. That's it! EBay some of the goods to pay for your troubles.

Tip: ozzie close chamber clevo heads sell like hot cakes, I used to pick these up for $25 per pair and auction them off the good ones on EBay and dump the cracked ones. Out of 60 pairs I've only received 4 cracked and 2 were repaired. :wink:

laters

EDIT: While you're at it, bring in spares, hyperteuctic[sp] pistons, gaskets, cams, timing chains, etc etc.

double laters
 
Thanks for the info!

A little background:
My friend, Alain, is from Perth originally and we both worked for the same company here in Houston. It turns out that he raced a rotary powered Karman Ghia back in Perth, so we hit it off pretty well. I told him about the crossflows and the 2Vs that you guys were sending to the US and he seemed interested in getting together a shipment once he got everything back in order in Perth.

He definitely knows shipping methods and engines, that I am not worried about. I am more worried about what happens when they get here. I would hope that they could ship directly into Port of Houston/Galveston.
I am really just trying to cut off the extra shipping from So. Cal to Texas.

But, after reading your posts, I am thinking that I will just stick with the old methods. First is to chop a log and make my 38/38 DGES work properly. That must get sorted out before I do any more engine work. I also need to finish the brakes and suspension.

Thanks guys!

Jason

Keep me posted with 2V are coming this way. I'll never have the spare cash, but maybe one day I will.
 
TxAgs66":36whqnz0 said:
I would hope that they could ship directly into Port of Houston/Galveston.
You just need to find a shipping company that goes to Port of Houston/Galveston, check around and good luck.
 
Shipping stuff is a lot like mailing a letter. You don't mail a letter and then tell the PO how to deliver it.

You specify a deliver location. The freighters will figure out how to get it there. If you specify Houston, it may come overland or it may come by ocean freight. It's just going to depend on the Required Delivery Date (RDD) and the shipping schedules.

Example: My stuff was crated and consigned in Perth, W.A.. You would think it would have gone aboard a ship there, but instead it went overland to Sydney, where it was consolidated into a container. The container left Sydney and ended up in Los Angeles. The container was stripped, and my crate then got on a bonded truck, cross-country to Orlando. Once in Orlando, it went to an inland terminal for delivery.

During the entire trip from LA to Orlando, this shipment had still technically not "landed" in the USA for US Customs purposes. It was not cleared by US Customs until I took the paperwork to the agents for release. Total cost of shipping, crating, paperwork, etc for a 1600lb crate with two engines and a bunch of other stuff was about $600 total. But it would have cost about the same if it had weighed three times as much or half that. It still took up the same amount of space on the ship.

This process works almost anywhere in the US. Most major cites have freeports that are arrival areas for imported goods. Even if you are sitting in Omaha, Nebraska, there is an International Port of Arrival.
 
MustangSix":3fvoziwy said:
Shipping stuff is a lot like mailing a letter. You don't mail a letter and then tell the PO how to deliver it.

You specify a deliver location. The freighters will figure out how to get it there. If you specify Houston, it may come overland or it may come by ocean freight. It's just going to depend on the Required Delivery Date (RDD) and the shipping schedules.

...

This process works almost anywhere in the US. Most major cites have freeports that are arrival areas for imported goods. Even if you are sitting in Omaha, Nebraska, there is an International Port of Arrival.

So there's you're answer TxAgs.
 
Jack and Dennis both mention the same thing. You pay by "weight measure" - here, invoiced as 1m³=1 metric tonne (similar to a cubic yard equalling 2200lbs).

Your crating will be the same more-or-less, the pickup for the crate the same, documentation fees the same... I got a quote on some Oz wagon parts for Darin in late '02 and rates were ECN $20, pickup/cartage $75, documentation $45, actual freight $215 - all in AUD. At a guess, shipping to Tx would be similar to NC in costs (meaning dearer than Long Beach or SF).

Some people have been screwed over on landed fees - forking, demurrage and such. It pays to have your ducks lined up prior. As Dennis also mentiones, the little bits are very relevant. It's my belief this is one of the reasons so few imported motors are running yet! While parts are a good idea, they are a SLOW maturing "investment"... Don't stake your mortgage repayments on them.

Regards, Adam.

p.s. Just a thought... A similar outlay to shipping/building a crossflow would probably see a nice turbo install with a modded log head and TBI.
 
Hmm...

Addo, you have me pondering other stuff now...

Actually, the 2V/cross flow is down on my list, but way down.

Has anyone considered doing UPS or DHL? Too risky? They pick up and drop off at your door, and you can pay online.

Still feeling everything out!
 
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