Dyno results

65-coupe

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Here are the numbers from todays dyno test. 78 HP at 3900 RPM's and 129 torque at 2700 RPM at the rear wheels. This is a stock engine with a DUI, Weber 32/36 and headers with 2" dual exhaust with a X pipe. We will dyno it again with the C4 and then the T5 after the Alum head and all the new parts are installed.
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you have to realise that automatic transmission flywheel to rear wheel hp drop is not proportional to manual transmission loss.

Many, many tests have been done which cover off the facctors, but suffice to say, torque converter stall and axle raatio and heast factor on dynos, as well as dyno type, alter the amount. Sometimes, bolting on 25% of power via a header or combined header and carb swap won't yield consistant results as with a manual transmission.

I have heaps of old dynamometer runs from an Australian car magazine, and automatics go off the scale in poor repeatability, while manual transmissions are very much aligned. The SAE Net veses SAE wheel hp readings are not repatable for most automatics. When you up the power into the engine, you can't be assured the gain is due to the power gain, or is being soaked up by the trans.

See http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/1 ... converter/

It's really important to note that a chassis dyno is not the best tool for evaluating converter performance, simply because it treats all cars as if they weighed the same. (The dyno's inertial roller drum acts as a proxy for the mass of the car, and is usually much less.) We do not want to convey the idea that a larger converter is always going to be better. It may be for some cars, but it really is an individual thing. In our case, our initial chassis dyno numbers were so far off from our engine dyno numbers, that most likely any tightening would've shown an improvement at the wheels, and that's why we did it before hitting the track. Another point we want to make is that our Laguna is on the extremely heavy side at 3,900 pounds (and that's a conservative estimate). At race weight with driver, it's looking more like 4,100 pounds. Our looser, 245mm converter would be right at home in something like our 3,660-pound '68 Chevelle. Said another way, the same converter when put into two different cars with two different engines will behave in completely different ways.

Read more: http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/1 ... z2KfbsrrP4


Generally, if the dyno is calibrated, and you have 225 section tires and a 7.5 to 7.875" diff with a T5 in third, with the torque multiplication factored out, you'd get a 26.4% power drop from SAE Net to rear wheel hp.In Aussie Fords, the 221.3 hp, 165 kw 5.0 would go down to 175 rwhp. This is in line with the Ak Miller tests of old, where the rear wheel hp of 65 would have been about 82 hp net installed. The 120 hp factory rating was SAE gross, a stripped down rating.

Automatics have to have the heat and stall ratios sweet spotted to get the normall 33 to 35% power drop an AOD/ 5R55/C5 or FMX/C4/C3 represent. Normaly, dyno figures show a 42 to 63% drop with the stock Ford test 1650 and 2350 stall converters, even if they have a lock-up clutch. Same with lock-up clutch THM's vs non lock-up clutch THM's.

In the article above, wit a stock stall ratio, the engine lost 53% of its net dyno figure, and when a low stall , but higher flash converter was added, the engine lost just 28% through the drive line. When you bolt that C4 up, don't be supprised if your increases become decreases, as automatics on dynos really mess up the conventional logic. In other instance PHR showed in July 2008, a 496 cube engine with 626 flywheel hp heading down to 419 hp, a 49% power drop through an auto is common, and when a tighter converter was hooked up, it gave 448 rwhp, still a loss of 39%. These figures are the norm for automatics of all types and for all engine outputs, from 97 cubic inch Escorts to 514 cubic inch strokers.See http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/1 ... z2KgGLE33V

Informed, you can go back to your regular dyno program with enlightened happiness.
 
65-coupe":2a7vpx6x said:
Here are the numbers from todays dyno test. 78 HP at 3900 RPM's and 129 torque at 2700 RPM at the rear wheels. This is a stock engine with a DUI, Weber 32/36 and headers with 2" dual exhaust with a X pipe. We will dyno it again with the C4 and then the T5 after the Alum head and all the new parts are installed.
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Thanks for the info, thanks for the post!
I'd love to see it tested again with each of the changes mentioned done one at a time. Course that would be alot more expense/dyno time so I'd understand avoiding that...
 
I did the dyno for a article that Mustang Monthly will be doing on my car. So it was dyno at there shop and will be the next two times also.
 
65-coupe":1a0qm30a said:
I did the dyno for a article that Mustang Monthly will be doing on my car. So it was dyno at there shop and will be the next two times also.

Is your 65 the one the Mustang Monthly had for sale?

I am a subscriber to their magazine and have all the issues.
 
"... article...Mustang Monthly will be doing on my car...'

Kouwell! have fun w/it!
Let us know which issue to look 4...
Which make head will it B?

(Why do they wanna do it that way - just 1 'package' v another, I'd guess? Thanks.)
 
rocklord":39ky7fh2 said:
65-coupe":39ky7fh2 said:
I did the dyno for a article that Mustang Monthly will be doing on my car. So it was dyno at there shop and will be the next two times also.

Is your 65 the one the Mustang Monthly had for sale?

I am a subscriber to their magazine and have all the issues.

Not the one they had for sale. I have had the car for about 2yrs.
 
65-coupe":1q718tf0 said:
I did the dyno for a article that Mustang Monthly will be doing on my car. So it was dyno at there shop and will be the next two times also.

Cool! Let us know which issue to look 4 that has the article about this '65.

Which make head will it B dynoed with?

(I assume one month, the article will be about the current build, another month will present the changes?)
 
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