EDIS mod to Pre Crossflow 250?

[XWDewar]

Im in the process of getting all the parts for an EDIS (electronic distributorless ignition system) Mod to my 1969 XW Falcon. I will be using a Megajolt LightJr kit, ignition advance control which can now be used to switch ignition maps from, for example, ULP to LPG.
Has anyone else done something like this to an older six?
I just need to sort out the trigger wheel for the crank sensor, Im having one machined at work and need to know some details about the harmonic balancer.
Yes I know I have one fitted to the car, but I dont want too have to remove it to get the measurements I need. Can anyone help me out?
I need to know the outside diameter of the bolt that holds the balancer to the crank, so I can fit the trigger wheel to the outside of the balancer. Also the distance to the other bolt holes from the centre and their diameter, so I can use one of them for anti rotation of the trigger wheel.
Any help is appreciated, Cheers

 

[gb500]

hey - i take it you are in australia? with an xw?

cant help you with the dimensions BUT

i was interested in doing this as well - would be interested to chat to you re getting a wheel machined and where you got your kit from

brett - xp falcon in melbourne

 

[XWDewar]

I got the MJLJ kit from AUTOSPORTLABS in the US, knocked it up at work, downloaded their software and it worked first go. Pretty happy about that.
The rest of the stuff is from around the place, EDIS-6 module and wiring pigtail from ebay in the US aswell, the coilpack and VR sensor are being delivered from QLD all off of a EF Falcon.
The Trigger wheel is getting machined at work for free, happy about that also.
I had a friend at work make an AutoCAD drawing of the wheel and have that if you are interested, I have no idea how much they cost to make, but wheels are available on ebay from the UK for about $AU100 delivered.
Hope to have all the bits by end of next week.
Oh yeah I'm in Adelaide.

 

[gb500]

thanks for the info
any chance your man at work would be intertested in doing another wheel ? : )

if not then are you able to send the wheel drawing by email

brett.oneil(at)psnworld.com


did you manage to sort out a advance map ? - or will it be suck and see?


questions questions - but woul be interested to see how it goes and effects the driveability.

Brett

 

[XWDewar]

Sorry, there was only enough steel for one wheel, we found it in the back of the aluminium rack.
I will send you the drawing its in autocad format at the moment I will try to save it as a pic and send it.
Its going to be interesting sorting out the ignition map for it, I will try the basic N/A map from MJLJ and see how it runs, then take it to the dyno shop and see what I can get done.
I hope to set it up as a kit and let others use the idea as a project.
I just want it to work first and then see what development I can do:idea:

Cheers
Rob

 

[gb500]

rob - thanks - you can send in autocad format and i will get the cad boys at work to print off for me .

as for the map - i have the ford manual for the xp engines (144,170 and 200ci ) that gives dist. advance at various revs ( 500, 1000, 2000, 2500 ) i was going to try that as a starting point

yeah i was wondering if anybody had done this to their 6 cylinder before .

brett

 

[XWDewar]

OK will try to remeber to send it on monday morning.
Can you send me the info you have on the ignition advance?
The map is 10 X 10 RPM Vs Manifold KPa, RPM starting at 500 to 5000 in 500 steps and KPa in 10 KPa steps to 100KPa which is at Idle.
I might aswell give that a go first up, if you dont mind.
robert.dewar2 (at) baesystems.com
Cheers

 

[XWDewar]

I have finally found the info I needed, the harmonic balancer is a press fit to the standard crank, ie no bolts holding it on.
You can get a bolt on 3rd pulley, for power steering, that requires 3 x 3/8UNC bolts about 3/4" long. This is what I intend to bolt my trigger wheel to.

Cheers

 

[XWDewar]

I broke the bloody pulley and now have a boss that will take its place.
Is anybody interested in doing this to their car, I will post some pics next week with all the parts required and a quick how to.

 

[LEROY POLL]

ROB.....XWD


.....PLEASE POST THE PICTURES. I'M ALL EARS AND EYES.

THANK YOU

LIVE IN GRACE

LEROY POLL

 

[XWDewar]

I did a trial fit today with the coilpack, edis-6 module and the crank sensor. The trigger wheel was fitted and once I set the crank sensor in the correct spot, well pretty close anyway. I fired up the old girl and it actually ran. Without the control box fitted it operates in limp home mode, which should be with about 10 degrees of advance.
I went for trip round the block and it seemed to drive fairly well, so I was happy with the first step. Its all disconnected at the moment so I can tidy up the wiring and then I will refit and connect my control box.
Still a few more holes and connections to make before its permanent, but its pretty FN close!
YeeHaa!

 

[XWDewar]

Still plodding along with the conversion. Im off to melbourne this weekend so I wont get anymore done this week but hope to set it up and get a tune done very soon.

 

[shmoozo]

Still plodding along with the conversion. Im off to melbourne this weekend so I wont get anymore done this week but hope to set it up and get a tune done very soon.

Adelaide to Melbourne? That's a bit of a haul, isn't it? I'm guessing it's roughly 7 or 8 hours of driving and rest stops each way.

Hope it goes well, but bring tools and perhaps some spares just in case.



I'm enjoying this thread, by the way and I look forward to seeing more updates in it as you find the time for them.

 

[XWDewar]

Adelaide to Melbourne? That's a bit of a haul, isn't it? I'm guessing it's roughly 7 or 8 hours of driving and rest stops each way.

Yeah its about 750km, but Im going with a few mates so we will drive straight through, fuel stops only, probably take us about 9 hours. Petrol here just hit $1.40 per litre and I will run on LPG which is about 50cents per litre so thats fine. I get about 320 km from 55 litres of gas, which aint too bad.
When the EDIS is on and running Im hoping my fuel efficiency will improve to about 350 km per 55 litres. That way I will pay off the EDIS mod eventually.

 

[XWDewar]

Just had a query from a mate of mine about the distributor and the oil pump. Are they connected somehow, if I remove the Dizzy completly will the oil pump still work, does the dizzy gear drive the oil pump or are they seperate.

Any info would be appreciated before I pull it out and blow the motor.

Cheer Guys

 

[XFlow_Fairlane]

the dizzy gear drives the oil pump. on a US motor that has a larger dizzy shaft you can just swap in a 2.3L DIS ignition dummy shaft assembly. basicly it is just the base of a dizzy with a bearing and shaft to drive the oil pump.

 

[XWDewar]

Thanks for the info turbo_fairlane, looks like the dizzy will be staying in place.
Well I ran the thing into work this morning with the ignigtion running on the EDIS setup, 30miles, no problems what so ever.
Had the Laptop hooked up aswell and watched the ignition map do its thing, was very happy with myself. It has dual map switching and that worked aswell. Now I need to get it all tuned and see how much improvement it has all made, if any.
Things need abit of a tidy up and I will post some of the pics when I finish.