Ford "Hi-Po" oil pump.

[Mustang_Geezer]

Doing some research in one of my Ford books tonight and it seems that Ford did make a hi performance oil pump for the 144-170-200 series motors.

Its obsolete through Ford, but here is the part number in case you find one on ebay;

D1DZ-6600-A Description: Oil pump-H.D. 60 psi (144-170-200)

I also found a few other H.O. parts & numbers Ford produced....If you want them I can list them also.

Later,

Doug

 

[Falcon62]

Hmm, I wonder if this was a re-springed, or shimmed, standard pump? Wouldn't be hard to do that. Would be nice to boost pressure for some of the higher performance sixes. 8)

 

[Mustang_Geezer]

Not for sure???

I was looking through my 1972 version of Fords off highway parts book and came across it in the very back. It also has the part numbers for premium crank bearings for the 200 and a 5/8" wide timing chain & gears for a 250.

Later,

Doug

 

[Anonymous]

Mustang Geezer, I'd like to see the list. I'm trying to build a list of performance parts.

 

[Mustang_Geezer]

I'll get all my part numbers together and post them in a few days. I have all sorts of stuff besides what I listed above!

It really helps to have a ford part number list when shopping on ebay...

Later,

Doug

 

[gravelrash]

dunno `bout you guys, but here in Australia we can buy hi-volume oil pumps over the counter, very common part.

 

[sefus]

^^ then ship one over to me, i'll make it worth your while

 

[Hot 6t Falcon]

Doug,

In the old days FoMoCo (JC Whitney and Honest Charlie's too) used to offer a hi-pressure spring kit too. I don't know the part number.



Phil,

I've tried for more oil pressure two ways. One is to add two washers (1/4 inch inside dia. I think) maybe .060 each; and two, to put the expansion plug in backwards.

Pull the pin (sometimes a cotter pin and sometimes a rolled pin) out of the side of the pump. Dig and pry the expansion plug out of the hole. Be prepared to search for a new plug - my machine shop had a neat little expander tool, so close was good enough. Insert one or two washers as shims and re-assemble.

I don't mess with reversing the plug any more. Read on.

DO NOT over do this. I played with more washers/shims - you know - if two are good then FOUR must be better - it's the American Dolly Parton theory of life - BIGGER is better... NOT!!!!! The oil filter EXPLODED, and the oil pressure gauge was ruined (stuck on 130psi on a 0-100 gauge - that means the needle when past all the way around) I did pump a LOT of oil - all over the engine compartment.

A word to the wise, add one or two washers, or learn the hard way.

Aren't you young guys glad that us old farts have nothing better to do than play with this little six?

Good Luck

 

[MandarinaRacing]

Dennis & Doug, for example:
let say that a hi-po 6 with a bigger oil capacity than standard (bigger pan, bigger filter) would it benefit from higher pressure or more volume?????

also...

a hi-po 6 with standard oil capacity would it benefit from high pressure or high volume?????

in any case what is better high pressure or high volume????

Alex

 

[MandarinaRacing]

Dennis & Doug, for example:
let say that a hi-po 6 with a bigger oil capacity than standard (bigger pan, bigger filter) would it benefit from higher pressure or more volume?????

also...

a hi-po 6 with standard oil capacity would it benefit from high pressure or high volume?????

in any case what is better high pressure or high volume????

Alex

 

[Hot 6t Falcon]

Hi Alex,

Good question. And if you ask three people, you'll probably get five opinions.

Hi-Pressure (HP) is accomplished by more spring pressure on the relief valve. It can be done with a harder spring, or with shims on the stock spring.

Hi-Volume (HV) is accomplished by larger impeller vanes inside an oil pump. If you look at pumps, or at their pictures in Summit, the HV pump has a taller and/or a larger diameter "canister" at its base to make room for bigger vanes.

What's best? IMHO both. To a degree. 60 psi is ALL you'll ever need. Too much pressure will just wear out the cam gear pre-maturely because the pump is just too dern hard to turn. When you get over 150psi, t will also blow the canister right off the block.

To the best of my knowledge, there is NO American HV and/or HP pump currently made. I've searched, but I always hope somebody will say "Here's one!" Somebody will have to buy and try an Aussie HV pump to find IF they'll bolt on or not.

Finally, the 144/170 pump is different than the 200 pump, which is different than the 250 pump. The 250 pump would make a nice HV pump on a 200, BUT (do you hate big butts) it won't fit. The bolts are spaced too far apart.

Good Luck

 

[Mustang_Geezer]

The oil filter EXPLODED, and the oil pressure gauge was ruined (stuck on 130psi on a 0-100 gauge - that means the needle when past all the way around) I did pump a LOT of oil - all over the engine compartment.

That woulda been somthing to see!!

Alex,

IMO, anything would be better than stock!!

Here a "sample" of the stuff I have....I'll put all of it on my website when I get a chance....

D1DZ-6211-A Premium rod bearings 200ci
D1DZ-6333-A Premium main bearings 200ci
D1DZ-6337-A Premium main thrust bearing 200ci
D1DZ-6600-A H.D. 60 psi oil pump 200ci
D1DZ-6268-A H.D. 5/8" wide timing chain & gears 250ci
C5TZ-6303-D H.D. truck crank 300ci
CODE-6565-B ball & cup pushrods 170-200ci
CODZ-6564-A Adjustable rocker arm assy 144-170-200ci
B6A-6513-A H.D. valve springs 170-200ci
C20Z-6514-A H.D. valve retainers 170-200ci
BF-32 Autolite spark plugs colder than stock 170-200ci
DZ-5002 68-74 Electronic ignition conversion kit

Wider rear brake pad 9"x2.25" (stock is 9"x1.5")
1966 Mustang convertible
1960-65 Falcon station wagon or panel delivery only
C3DZ-2001-A

Ford cylinder head casting numbers,
170 CID (2.8L)
1964-65 C4DE-6090-D C5DE-6090-A,B
1966-67 C6DE-6090-B C7DE-6090-A
1968-69 C8DE-6090-B C9DE-6090-C,D,J,L,R
1970-72 DODE-6090-A

200 CID (3.3L)
1963-65 C3DE-6090-D C5DE-6090-A
1966-67 C6DE-6090-B C7DE-6090-A
1968-69 C8DE-6090-B C9DE-6090-C,D,J,L,R
1969-74 C9DE-6090-M D3DE-6090-A*
1975-76 D5DE-6090-BA
1977-79 D7BE-6090-AB D8BE-6090-BA**
1980-83 EOBE-6090-BB E1BE-6090-CC**

240 CID (3.9L)
1965-71 C5AE-6090-A,C C6AE-6090-A,C C8AE-6090-D
1972-74 D2AE-6090-AA

250 CID (4.1L)
1969-74 C9DE-6090-M D3DE-6090-AA*
1975-76 D5DE-6090-BA
1977-79 D7BE-6090-AB D8BE-6090-BA**

Ford NOS "Can style" tune up kits (DEPENDING ON APPLICATION),
170 ci
TKF-19
TKF-6
TKF-2

200ci
TKF-29
TKF-19
TKF-6
TKF-2

240ci
TKF-20
TKF-16
TKF-15
TKF-5

250ci
TKF-29
TKF-19
TKF-6

300ci
TKF-20
TKF-16
TKF-9

Steel shim headgasket numbers,
144-170 ci CODE-6051C
200 ci C3OZ-6051A C5AZ-6051B
250 ci C9DZ-6051B


Keep in mind......all this stuff is obsolete from Ford. But I use it when cruising ebay all the time!!

 

[addo]

What made the premium bearings premium? Better tolerances, different materials? Different plant?

 

[AzCoupe]

Just to let you guys know, the OZ oil pumps will not bolt up to our sixes. Otherwise, I'd already have them in stock. IIRC the OZ pumps have different shafts and the bolt pattern wouldn't match up.

I contacted a couple of different companies about custom manufacturing pumps for us. The problem lies in the sub-parts IIRC, which are not available. I was going to see if I could get them custom manufactured, but stopped after posting a topic about them a few months back. The general consensious was that they were not needed. Several guys posted negative feedback, so I just gave up the idea.

 

[Hot 6t Falcon]

Hey Guys,

First some more info and then go look at the new thread I started. I found this old ad about FoMoCo's Hi-po Kit for the six.

Here is some oil pump spring pressure info for Various engines

Rotor Type Oil Pump Relief Valve Spring Tension
(pounds at specified length)

170 and 200....... 8.6“ 9.5 at 1.078
240 .................. 20.6 “ 22.6 at 2.49
260 and 289 ...... 11.2“ 11.7 at 1.70
352, 390, 430 .... 9.0 “ 9.6 at 1.53
427 ................... 8.0 “ 13.0 at 1.56

 

[Mustang_Geezer]

Adam,

Probably what made them better was the different materials I would assume?

Heres somthing I found while unpacking some more Ford stuff...I'm going to keep an eye out on ebay for some more of these. I have several of them I found so far in a box with some TSB's & some old Shop Tips (note the bottom page)

Later,

Doug

 

[Anonymous]

if your oil pressure is below 40 when your oil is hot you would not get any benefit from raising the relief pressure. an increased volume oil pump would increase pressure and might be a benefit esp to help on top end oiling. i would guess there would be increased oil heating which would reduce oil viscosity further. might be diminishing returns.

Frankie

 

[Mustang_Geezer]

Alex, Higher flow is what high performance pumps provide. The pressure is dictated by 1) the flow path thru the engine and or 2) The relief valve setting of the pump. Raising the relief valve setting will not increase flow. In fact, it likely will reduce the flow.

I cut & pasted this from Mellings web site:
Common Misconceptions on Oil Systems
1. OIL PUMPS PRODUCE PRESSURE. Oil pumps produce flow and the resistance to that flow produces pressure. The pressure relief valve limits the maximum pressure but does not do anything until the pressure has reached that point.

2. THE INLET SCREEN WILL KEEP DEBRIS OUT OF THE PUMP. Some of the new ones will but the majority have a 1/2" ID valve in the center or they have eight 3/16" X 1/2"slots around the edge of the screen. The valve or slots are there to allow cold thick oil into the pump. If you use thick oil with the new screens, you have a good chance of starving the engine of oil and ruining it.

3. I HAVE LOW OIL PRESSURE SO I'LL PUT IN A HIGH PRESSURE PUMP.The low pressure is usually caused by a leak or excessive wear in the engine. If the original pump has a 50 psi bypass and the engine will not get over 30 psi, then putting in a pump with a 75 psi bypass will not change a thing. You will still have 30 psi. You have to fix the leak or rebuild the engine.

4. SAME AS #3 EXCEPT I'LL PUT IN A HIGH VOLUME PUMP. The high volume pump does increase the flow so you will have some increase in pressure. However, you still have the original problem of a leak or worn out. The high volume pump just delays fixing the real problem. High volume pumps are for increased demands on the oil system such as higher RPM usage, racing, remote filters and or coolers, etc.

Doug