FSPP camshaft profiles (finally)

[AzCoupe]

Over the past few months, I have spent several hours on the phone and in have visited a few cam manufacturers to check out their facilities, etc. I finally settled on a manufacturer that has higher prices then most offered, but they refuse to compromise quality to lower their prices.

They have immense experience (sixty plus years) in grinding custom cam profiles and have worked with many Ford inline six customers/racers as well as many top name racers and record holders (auto and boat).

FSPP's camshaft profiles were designed by their technical expert, who is among the most well known camshaft designers in the world today. They were great to work with and I look forward to doing business with them.

Today, I placed an order for the first run of cam profiles that I will be keeping in stock. These are for the small sixes, but we are also working on a line for the big sixes as well. Custom cams are also available at no additional charge. Hope you guys like what they came up with. Selling price is $115

FordSix Performance Cams
264: 264/264 - 214/214 - .450/.450 - 110* - 1600-5000
274: 274/274 - 224/224 - .450/.450 - 110* - 2000-5600
280: 280/280 - 238/238 - .425/.425 - 108* - 2300-6000
280H: 280/280 - 231/231 - .480/.480 - 109* - 2500-7000

The 280H is a high lift/high RPM camshaft profile, minimum 9.5 CR.

NOTE: lobe centers can be changed to a range of 108* to 114* upon request at no additional charge.

 

[65coupei6]

Mike, two things.

1.) That is great news. The profiles look good and so does the price.
2.) You suck I wish I was a newbie to all this stuff and new about your stuff so I could take advantage of it. Looking at all this quality stuff that is now available and the price makes me want to build a spare engine.

 

[Anlushac11]

8)

Im so happy...I could cry

*sniff*
*sniff*

Depending on how things go I hope to either be ordering a FSPP cam or a cam for a Crossflow on a 200 block, depending on how Jacks tests go.

Excellent job BTW, you are now approaching Ford I6 Sainthood. You shall be Known as Saint Mike, the provider.

 

[rbohm]

8) mike, i like the cam profiles as is. i think they are about perfect for our little sixes.

 

[Anonymous]

I dont like to be a stodge they all look great but even the first one at 214 at 50 is a pretty serious cam. I wonder if they could consider suppling something a bit milder around 206 at 50 or similar.
Regards Tim

 

[xctasy]

Savage, brother! Those are perfect for a short rod US engine.

If you want mild, grab any other cam from any of the others. With a short rod 250 or US 200, the first one is perfect! . The lift drops of to 425 for the 280...thats a low lift, hi-intensity number for sure! Its got the intensity missing from all the after market compromises. If you have a non-shift kitted auto with low stall, the 264 would be perfect. Like wide awake, man!

Somebodies done there homework!

 

[Anonymous]

Just thinking for some people and myself a careful selection of a cam can give near the same economy and considerably more power.
I may be way out of my depth but from what Ive seen these cams are usually a bit less duration than the 214 at 50 in the above.
Just another question when you say high intensity do you mean a more radical profile on the lobe to get more lift quicker with the same total lift as a near comparison with the same total lift.
When you say for their sort rod motor I thought their 250 had about the same ratio as our Aussie 250. I believe the 200 does differ though. Is this correct?

Cheers.

 

[Anonymous]

Oh by the way Crow Cams in Aust call their 214 at 50 cam a 280 advertised duration not a 264 thats why I dont take any notice of the advertised durations.

 

[MustangSix]

Even at 214 @ .050 you would get a decnt idle if you opened the LSA to 112-114 degrees.

Good work, Mike!

 

[Asa]

hope that guy from MCA is paying attention....

more and more into the mainstream
you guys think that in 10-15 years they'll be doing articles on the history of Ford I6 engines in one of the car mags and they'll mention this site?

 

[AzCoupe]

Their theory on cams is to play with the lobe centers rather than duration and lift. The 214@.50 is a perfect cam for most all daily drivers, just move the lobe centers to get the cam performance/idle to match your driving. By increasing the lobe centers to 112-114 the cam will have a smooth idle yet produce plenty of power without loosing to much on the bottom end. If you want more mid range power and don't mind a lumpy idle, decrease the lobe centers. RPM ranges remain the same, it just moves the power curve up or down within the range. And they don't charge any extra to do this, even for a one off.

 

[Anonymous]

Nice work Mike... I like the final numbers on these cams...

I think the 214@.50 theory is on the money if you adjust LSA up or down, but then again a year ago I was not sure what a cam was.... now I know more than I want too

Keep up the good work....

Any news on the balancers?


(Would you beleive I am still waiting on parts... now it is valves and hardware? Gonna be 2004 before this engine is finished....)

 

[Crosley]

Mike,

sounds good. You mentioned this past saturday at the pavillions that you were expecting a final answer/decision soon on the cams.

I will most likely want the larger cam since I plan on drag racing my 200 cid powered falcon for the most part, not really any daily driving.

 

[Anlushac11]

8)

Since they said they can do custom cam profiles I was wondering on the possibility of getting a crossflow cam from them if I do the crossflow head/US 200 hybrid.

Would it be cheaper to have them do one as opposed to getting one shipped here from Crow?

 

[xctasy]

Tims questions:-

Q. Just another question when you say high intensity do you mean a more radical profile on the lobe to get more lift quicker with the same total lift as a near comparison with the same total lift.

Ah-ha. They are pretty hard on the valve train, but hydraulic cams and engines with shorter pushrods can hack this. If the 280 cam has 215 duration at 50 thou, and the 264 has 214 deg duration at 50 thou, then the 264 has much more intensity. The FoMoCo would never do cams like this because they are noisier, and have too much 'load stress' as the valve lifts up. But there is a huge gain on getting the cam moving the valve. And the Lobe Separtion angle is a big thing in cam design. Its very expensive to change, but things like Chevy LS-1's and Gen 3 5.7's are what they are because of the wide lobe separtion angles, and intense lifts.

Q:When you say for their sort rod motor I thought their 250 had about the same ratio as our Aussie 250. I believe the 200 does differ though. Is this correct?

Yes, I ment that both the US 200 and the Aussie and US 250's all have a 1.5:1 rod ratio.

[US200, 4.71 inch rod, 3.126 inch stroke, 1.507:1
Aussie and US 250, 5.885 or so, 3.91 inch stroke, 1.505:1]

Real crapy, but it makes the engine haul like a clydesdale. Since these engines have a limited rev range compared to if they had rods ~0.400 inchesor so longer, the cam attacks the lack of revability with an intense lift event. You'll not loose much low end torque, but you'll gain upper rev range power without getting into the rod stroke aspect. In my opinion, this is a real good way of going into it.Years ago, people like David Vizard used to rabbit on about these things...now were doing them!

Q:-Would it be cheaper to have them do one as opposed to getting one shipped here from Crow?

Possibly, if the cam is a duplicate of the crow cam. The billets they make them on would have to have the centre four lobes phased differently, and those cam profiles may not suit.

The Hybrid cross-flow 200 is similar to the 250 X-flow, except that the piston must be at full velocity when the cam is phased. Smaller engines may need no advance, or even, god forbid, a slight retardartion on timing when they are installed on a smaller engine. The lads from Crow can taylor make a profile to suit every thing you know about your engine. This is clearly what AZCoupe has had done for him.

A cam for a log head or 2V will differ from the cross-flow. Intakes on the cross flow are super good, exhasts excellent, while the log has ratty intake and exhast flow.

 

[Anlushac11]

8)

Actually now that you mention it you have to use a different cam because the valve arrangement is different.

 

[Anonymous]

Real crapy, but it makes the engine haul like a clydesdale.

Exactly...! A short rod ratio really yanks the piston down from TDC on the intake stroke, giving the air an intense "vacuum" signal. This makes for superb low-end torque, and is essential for log-headed engines.

AzCoupe, please order me one of the 264: 264/264 - 214/214 - .450/.450 - 110* - 1600-5000 cams with 114° lobe centers. This sounds perfect for my project.

 

[MustangSix]

114° lobe centers. I smell turbo!

 

[Anonymous]

Yeaaaah, buddy!

 

[Asa]

I smell turbo!

.... sorry jack, that was me.....