How to pics of my Duraspark II conversion

HorsesNHogs":3rcpr4qg said:
Joe,
First off THANKS, your pictures and detailed explaination encouraged me to make this swap, I completed the job this afternoon, and all was fine EXCEPT, the connection to the solinoid (sp). When I had the "white" wire connected to the "s" terminal the engine would not start, I came back here and did some research and found another post that said hook the white wire to the "I" terminal, I did and it worked. As for the red wire, I did not remove the Instrument cluster, but I did find a empty, female plug approx "4 inch" from the ignition, I tested it, it was a switchable 12v connection, what I don't know is what side of the ballast/resistor wire it is on, will that make a differnence in performance?
The engine starts with just a bump, and runs as well as expected with the crappy autolite 1100 I have, which is next to go :),
again thanks, as for the white wire connection, not sure what to say but the "I" connection worked for me.
George

The "I" connection is the down stream end of the solenoid. During normal running, this terminal should have about 6-7 volts because it is wired to the coil terminal that also gets juice from the downstream end of the ballast resistor. (while the start posistion is not engaged and the solenoid is resting, the "I" terminal is isolated from the (+) side of the solenoid)

During start, the it gets full 12 volts from the solenoid.

The question is (and I don't know the answer) does the DuraSpark module retard the spark if it gets 6-7 volts on the white wire? If it does, you are compensating for it with your initial idle timing. You are not necessarily getting a retard during start in that scenario.

As for the "4 incher :roll: ": check the voltage at the red wire (at the connector by the module is an easy spot) with the key in run (not running). If you are getting about 12 volts, then you are not downstream of the ballast resister (it is about impossible to be downstream of the ballast resistor if you are 4" from the switch). If you are getting 12V, then you have a great source. (As an aside, you should see if this wire is "cold" during "ACC")

If you ARE less than 12V, and the module is working, then I doubt your performance is significantly degraded. I guess there is an argument that the higher the input voltage to the module, the higher the voltage to the low voltage side of the coil...the higher the low voltage sode...the higher the high voltage side.

I'm guessing that you are getting 12V to the module's red wire with your setup.

The issue I'd be interested in hearing about is, does your timing change when you temporarily disconnect the white wire from the "I" terminal? If you do or don't, please report. That will tell me if the duraspark module ignores the 6-7 volts on the white wire, only retarding when 12V or nearly 12V is sent on that wire. Or maybe the retard increases with the voltage level on the white wire.

As for the no start while on the "S" terminal...It may be that the full retard (and your near TDC initial advance setting) are combining to make the during start retard so excessive that your baby doesn't run. Again, set your timing with white wire disconntected...then try either the "S" or the "I" terminal as appropriate.

I have the white wire disconnected and she starts and runs beautifully.
 
Good job Joe, BTW nice interior :shock:
How much did the whole swap cost you? This is probably one of the first mods a Ford six owner should make.

Maybe we can get Jack to add it to the tech pages....

Alex
 
OK, heres the results:
Although the Plug/harness set up I pulled from the junk yard hooked up to the module I purchased from autozone, the wiring was reversed. I discovered that during my inital installation, the red and white wires were swapped at the connection. So the white wire(at the module) was receiving a constant 12v and the red wire (at the module), hooked to the "I" side of the solenoid, was receiving 5-7v while the engine was running. This explains why the car would not start when the wire was either not connected or connected to the "S" side.
I swapped the wires around, hooked it up properly and the engine stared right up. The problem now was the timing advance was "off the gauge", I readjusted the timing to about 15 degrees and she starts/runs great.
I am getting a full 12v from the plug under the dash, it is NOT cold in ACC.
I did not check to see if the timing changed with the "I" disconnected in the old setup, once I discovered the reversed wires, I corrected that first. so the test would have been invalid anyway.
It does seem apparent though the the module will function on 5-7v. (though giving the white wire full time 12v, requires alot of advance to compensate).
I am not sure what if any damage would have occured over time, but I am certainly thankful to you and others on this forum for all the friendly help, Maybe oneday I can help someone as well.
again thanks,
george
 
what do you do with the coil connector? can i pick up any of the wires from an auto parts store or do i have to go back to the jukyard? :(
 
Not sure what you mean by coil connector?
if you mean the "slide" on connector mentioned here, then I believe the answer is yes, you need to go back to the yard.
I did not use the slide connector on mine, so I did not ask at the parts store if they carried it.
George
 
OK, heres the results:
Although the Plug/harness set up I pulled from the junk yard hooked up to the module I purchased from autozone, the wiring was reversed. I discovered that during my inital installation, the red and white wires were swapped at the connection. So the white wire(at the module) was receiving a constant 12v and the red wire (at the module), hooked to the "I" side of the solenoid, was receiving 5-7v while the engine was running. This explains why the car would not start when the wire was either not connected or connected to the "S" side.
I swapped the wires around, hooked it up properly and the engine stared right up. The problem now was the timing advance was "off the gauge", I readjusted the timing to about 15 degrees and she starts/runs great.
I am getting a full 12v from the plug under the dash, it is NOT cold in ACC.
I did not check to see if the timing changed with the "I" disconnected in the old setup, once I discovered the reversed wires, I corrected that first. so the test would have been invalid anyway.
It does seem apparent though the the module will function on 5-7v. (though giving the white wire full time 12v, requires alot of advance to compensate).
I am not sure what if any damage would have occured over time, but I am certainly thankful to you and others on this forum for all the friendly help, Maybe oneday I can help someone as well.
Happy to help, to the extent I did.

I am curious though, could you test the retard amount on your car by checking the timing during start with & without the white wire (the REAL white wire :lol: ) conected - to give me an idea how much retard it is and therefore whether it is worth me fiddling with.

what do you do with the coil connector? can i pick up any of the wires from an auto parts store or do i have to go back to the jukyard?

There is NO need for the handy dandy slide on connector...particularly if you are keeping your old (or any threaded post) coil. Connect the Green wire from the four-wire harness (or straight from the DuraSpark module) to the coil (the terminal will likely be unmarked or say "tach") THE "Bat" terminal is for the OTHER WIRE that comes from the firewall connector and is already connected to the "Bat" terminal. I don't have my wiring book here at the office, but I think the "Bat" wire is Red/Grn. This wire is the downstream wire from the Ballast resister wire; the lower voltage protects the coil in the event of some potential mishap in the ignition system that I don't remember right now.


If you have no wiring harnesses, I suggest you look at the first wiring diagram on this page: http://home.cfl.rr.com/mustangsix/Engine/duraspark.htm

You can then connect up the wires according to their color coding.

Good luck.

Joe
 
I'm a Newbie and just got a 66' Falcon 200 auto. I was searching the yard this weekend and the only Duraspark I found was in a 81' Merc. I have only heard about using a 77-80' for this conversion. Please lead me in the right direction. The one I saw looked just like Joe Trojans' in his write up. Help.
 
terry rakes":2r39ssjq said:
I'm a Newbie and just got a 66' Falcon 200 auto. I was searching the yard this weekend and the only Duraspark I found was in a 81' Merc. I have only heard about using a 77-80' for this conversion. Please lead me in the right direction. The one I saw looked just like Joe Trojans' in his write up. Help.
If it is on a straight six, then you are good to go.

Enjoy!
 
Thanks for the great job illustrating this swap. I hope to use this info very soon.
 
Another point of info, the small distributor cap (GP Sorenson #96 or 96B) will fit the DSII as well. Ask "parts boy" for a cap that fits a 74 Maverick.....

FR96.jpg
 
I really like your page and it gives me a lot of courage to try this out myself.

What I don't understand yet is the recurving of the distributor. Did you do it at all? What total advance am I trying to hit and how, mechanical or vacuum? Where do I want it to kick in for a relatively stock engine that is street and highway driven?

That one page says "install the springs from the recurve kit," but what kit did I buy and what springs out of it did I use? I think I might be missing something basic but I really don't see it. Any help would be appreciated.

-Dan in Atlanta
 
You know that voice that sometimes pops inot your head that tells you to do something? I ignored it last week.

I installed the DSII into a 66 Mustang about 2 months ago and it works great. But what about the coil? I have removed the pink resistor wire from picture and am supplying that original coil with 12V. The thought is there, what should I do. I've got towing insurance and am never more then 10 miles from home, so I leave it. This past weekend was a three dayer for me, and I had planned on replacing it with a better coil. But family commitments and other things came up (I hate Chuck-E-Cheese) so I put it off.

Driving into work today, the car dies as I come through an intersection. I get it started. Dies a few minutes later as I wait for my turn with the gate attendant. Push it into a nearby parking lot and have it towed home. Coil cools off and fires right up.

I'm replacing the coil this evening.
 
I am planning doing this conversion this weekend. I purchased the parts new and and was pleasently suprised at the cost of the parts. Question; did you hook up your existing vacuum to the distributor? I am still running the original 1brl carb.

Thanks

BTW Great instructions!!!!
 
I hooked up my existing vaccum line to the distributor. I have put over 15,000 miles on it since doing the conversion, still running great.

You can view my conversion here: http://5hp.hill.cc/maverick/D2

I have since then upgraded to a TFI coil (for a 1989 F350 with a 460). I am planning to replace the stock ignition module with a GM unit soon just to see if that makes any diffrence in gas mileage/performance.
 
Guys, all this stuff is very interesting and I'd love to try it on an aussie 2v motor BUT my distributor is a Bosch (std fitment on Aussie sixes) - will the distributors you are talking about interchange with a Bosch distributor?
 
Great info! Thanks for posting, just one question, Can I run a 12v wire thru a toggle switch to the dizzy? I just have to rember to turn it off right?
We use to do it that way on the old VW's we raced.
 
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