Hypereutectics Flattop Piston

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Stronger Hypereutectics flattop piston would be nice to have.

If I can come up with Hypereutectics flattop pistons at a reasonalbe price, how many of you guys would be interested?

I think I may be able to pull it off, but need to order a minimum of fifty sets on the first run. So I am wondering if they will sell fast enough, to make it financially feasable for me.
 
2 questions...will you have them for the 170 and do you have a rough estimate of price?Also what do you think would be a suitable con rod to use with these Hypereutectics Pistons?Ok that was 3 questions but oh well.
If you can get them for the 170,I'd be interested in a set.
 
what ever happened to the forged piston supplyer dude? hyperu's are not THAT much better than cast. if new pistons are to be used id be running forged plugs or cast, not somewhere inbetween. but thats just me...
 
I'd always choose hypers over forged for a non-serious-competition warmed up motor.

The current Falcon six turbo runs hypers, 6PSI and makes 320HP at the rear wheels. Full factory 3 year warranty, too. The level of attention to the metallurgy in their manufacture (at least, the ACL ones) makes their use a no-brainer here in Oz. I have not heard of an ACL hyper piston failing. Sure it must have happened but there's stories of split bores, blown gaskets and all the rest, no busted slugs.

Cheers, Adam.
 
I'll take a set of flattops sometime this summer...Dont know what overbore size I'll need though? :D :D :D

Later,

Doug
 
addo":1x2b9wgu said:
I'd always choose hypers over forged for a non-serious-competition warmed up motor.

The current Falcon six turbo runs hypers, 6PSI and makes 320HP at the rear wheels. Full factory 3 year warranty, too. The level of attention to the metallurgy in their manufacture (at least, the ACL ones) makes their use a no-brainer here in Oz. I have not heard of an ACL hyper piston failing. Sure it must have happened but there's stories of split bores, blown gaskets and all the rest, no busted slugs.

Cheers, Adam.

if its not seeing boost, nitrous or compression above 10:1 cast has no problems. hypers seeing a little of some of any of those fail. it might take time but they will fail. all i hear in the states is hypers failing. ive seen it, ive experienced it. a GOOD dyno tune, not running out of the limits and it took before the season was up for a mild 100 shot to melt the junk.
i just figure go big or dont bother.
not flaming or anything but really what is the story with the guy from san-fran that can hook up the forged pistons?
 
Maybe your experience is with non-T6 heat treated O.E. pistons?

Hypereutectic pistons are used in some original equipment engines. They are favored because of reduced scuffing, improved power, fuel economy and emissions.

Hypereutectic 390 refers to a unique aluminum piston alloy that contains dissolved and free silicon. The material can be T6 heat treated to high strength and stiffness. Non-heat treated 390 hypereutectic alloy aluminum has slightly less strength than conventionally cast F-132 aluminum.

With this in mind, we caution the reader about the use of non-T6 heat treated O.E. design hypereutectic pistons for high performance. Silvolite and others do make replacement-type hypereutectic pistons that are worthwhile for stock replacement applications. Original equipment design is almost never suitable for performance applications.

The KB line of hypereutectic pistons were designed around the 390 alloy. The result is a high performance part intended to give the performance engine builder access to the latest in piston technology.

Forgings have long been the mainstay of the performance business and did well in the big cubic inch engines of the 60’s. Now, with focus on peak cylinder pressure timing, ring sealing dynamics, cylinder air tumble and swirl, combustion chamber science, and extended RPM ranges, we need to consider some new piston options.

The KB T6 hypereutectics are considerably different than the forgings. The KB pistons have shown improvement in power, fuel economy, cylinder sealing, service life, and cost effectiveness. The reduced thermal expansion rate allows the piston to be run with reduced clearance. A tight piston is less likely to rock, make noise, and burn oil. A rocking piston wears rings and increases blow-bye. The close fit of the KB piston allows the piston rings to truly seal, minimizing blow-by.

The design flexibility enjoyed by the KB series of pistons has an advantage over present day forging practices. The die for a forged piston must be designed so it can be easily removed. This limitation makes it difficult to make a light weight piston without sacrificing strength.

The KB pistons' utilization of the permanent mold with multiple die parts allows undercut areas above the pin hole and material distribution in the skirt area that stiffen the entire piston unit. The forged piston requires thick skirts to achieve comparable piston rigidity. A rigid piston rocks less in the cylinder and improves ring seal.

The forged pistons' thick skirts add weight. The design of KB pistons gives us the option to build the lightest pistons on the market.
 
if its not seeing boost, nitrous or compression above 10:1 cast has no problems. hypers seeing a little of some of any of those fail.

Most late 80's early 90's 5.0 motors from Ford came with the hypereutectics and they were good to 400hp with a blower or nitrous so I'm sure they will work out fine as a performance upgrade for our 6's.

If I can come up with Hypereutectics flattop pistons at a reasonalbe price, how many of you guys would be interested?

I think I may be able to pull it off, but need to order a minimum of fifty sets on the first run. So I am wondering if they will sell fast enough, to make it financially feasable for me.

This is the actual topic, so lets keep it on topic so Mike can figure out if its feasable to him to invest in this....This is a good sized investment I'm sure!! :wink:



Later,

Doug
 
best if the piston would work with OEM rods, pins and ring sets unless you offer a kit with right the pins and rings.

what about the dish. if it is a flat top you would gain a 1/4 -1/2 pt on compression right? or would you adjust the distance from the deck.

i would buy a set if all the specifics were laid out. i dont use forged pistons anyway unless no other choice. there may be some compromise if they run the pistons using some parts of exsisting tooling.

i am currently working on a replacement 200 for when my current clanker blows. i can use any overbore.

frankie
 
I have the option of specifing anything I want. We can go with dished or flat tops. Make them to match stock specs, or add to the compression height, say 20 thousands. What ever you guys want. Obviously, they will all be the same for the first run.

I was thinking, dished - plus 20 CH - and 30-40 over.
 
Howdy Mike;

How about a "D" shaped dish to mirror the combustion chamber and maximize quench?

"I was thinking, dished - plus 20 CH - and 30-40 over."

What is "Plus 20 CH"?

Are you thinking straight up or off set pin placements?

Can you give a price per set estimate of cost?

Adios, David
 
What is "Plus 20 CH"?

CH is Compression Height. Keith Black suggested raising it 20 thousands to reduce the need for decking the block and to help off set the use of composite gaskets.

I like your idea on the dish and will see if it's an option and/or additional cost. Thanks
 
I interrup this thread for a breaking news flash

Mustang Geezer wrote:
Most late 80's early 90's 5.0 motors from Ford came with the hypereutectics and they were good to 400hp with a blower or nitrous

I used to think so myself, until I read an article in Car Craft
and it said the the only year 5.0 HO's had hypers was '93....maybe this could explain why the 5.0 engine is so tuff....OK back to our regular programming :mrgreen:
 
MandarinaRacing":1s5jz0vv said:
I interrup this thread for a breaking news flash

Mustang Geezer wrote:
Most late 80's early 90's 5.0 motors from Ford came with the hypereutectics and they were good to 400hp with a blower or nitrous

I used to think so myself, until I read an article in Car Craft
and it said the the only year 5.0 HO's had hypers was '93....maybe this could explain why the 5.0 engine is so tuff....OK back to our regular programming :mrgreen:

yea the 87-92's were stock forged internals. that is why they hold up.
 
I'd be in for some more durable pistons. I don't have any radical plans for my 200 buildup, but who knows how I'll feel down the road. :?
 
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