Maximum street power from 350 and 500 2-bbl Holleys

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I've seen the claims, and frankly, I don't believe they are credible for a street driven 500 cfm carb. For a cross-flow 250:-

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There are wild claims that infer 282 hp at 5000 rpm, or what could be around 356 hp @ 5000 rpm from a 250 engine. All from the best 2-bbl Ultraflow manifold, and a 500 Holley an avagas.

In terms of specific power for every rev per minute and cubic inch, there is more power than a V8 Supercar. I mean 7500 revs times 302 cubic inches gives 630 hp. If you reduce the power by the difference in the revs (by 7500/5000), and also by the reduction in the cubes (302/250), then you end up with 348 hp. To get 282 hp, you do need at least 350 hp at the flywheel.

Since a stock carb XE or XF shoves about 100 horses to the pavement, 40 hp extra, with a 500 cfm Holley, would be a 180 hp net engine, up from 131 hp net. I've not seen a street 500 do over 180, but there are plenty of other claims of 350 hp from a 500 cfm #4412.

A7M has seen 302 hp or so on a oval track, but still fairly stock, race 250 x-flow with a 500 2-bbl. Not a streeter, not running on pump gas.

350 hp is technically possible with the big 500 2-bbl in a 350 hp V8 sucking huge vacumm rates at wide open throttle, if this is to be believed.
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So does anyone have any info on 2-bbl Holley power levels?
 
Oh man, paydirt! You have my attention, Alex, and how!


Because of the two-barrel carburetor, exhaust-port flow was intentionally limited to less than 80 percent of intake flow above 0.400 lift to maintain a scavenging effect. The lightly modified heads flow 237.5 cfm on the intake and 185.6 cfm on the exhaust.

Type: Comp Cams custom grind ($149)

Duration at 0.050: 244/248

Gross Valve Lift: 0.584-inch

Valve Lash: 0.018/0.020-inch

Centerline: 109 degrees


This is the secrete I've been looking for! Without the ability to create increased intake vaccum, the 350 hp capability doesn't exist either.

Historic C racers have it all worked out.

Man, I'm ecstatic!
 
I almost creamed my pants when I saw this.

This intake is for an OZ 250 head I presume, but is it for the 2V or the crossflow?

If it is for the 2V, how can I go about getting one?
I would love to know as soon as humanly possible.
Christopher Harris

p.s. Is there a website for this company?
 
Soon enough, Chris? :wink:

It's for the crossflow, unfortunately. Apart from the mechanical FI unit Fingers mentioned, you're stuck with stock or Lynx fanimolds on a 2V. Unless you get creative like Hotrod Bill...

Regards, Adam.
 
Okay team. Based on that Hot Rod article, it's time to look for 300 hp for a 500 cfm carb on a 250 cross-flow. Or 215 hp on a 350 cfm'd 200 2V. Or something like that if you can get 350 hp from a 289 2-bbl!


Secrete is in four key areas


1. An open plenumb intake manifold. Tick for 2v Aussie or Argie SP/ME intake, tick for an aftermarket Cain, Redline, Ray Hall or Ultra flow manifold.

2. The net lift needs to exceed 0.28 times the intake valve diameter. 0.490 thou lift at least on a 200 or 250, 0.530 thou on the Cross flows which have a much larger diameter valve, so this wont be hard.


3. There is a special concept which Comeption Cams follow, and that is stalling the exhast flow to build more intake volume. Dunno how it works.

4. The exhast flow at 68% of total exhast vave lift (possibly 0.330 on a 200, or 0.360 on a x-flow) is restricted to 80% of the intake, some how. This means the exhast port needs to be profiled for maxium flow at lower lift.

The idea is to increase scavanging through the exhast to allow the first slug of intake to fill the cylinder, then to allow it to stay in and build combustion pressure. It promotes high velocity into the chamber. Sort of like opening both doors in a truck when its windy.

Summary:-

If we are to make 350 and 500 cfm 2-bbls work, these features must be part of the cam equation.


Before this post, the evidence was 125 hp from a 350 cfm, and 170 hp from a 500 cfm on a street engine. My how things have changed, and how wrong I've been. I still doubt that Ultraflow claim may be legit! 282 rwhp is over 356 hp @5000 rpm at the flywheel from a 250 x-flow, and the Hot Rod 289 won't even do that at 6700 rpm. I don't believe it! BS DETECTOR ALERT!!!!

Hmmm. Wonder how the engine expert deals with this?
 
Yeah, well the cross flow and 289 are heaps better than the 200 log. But I've seen Minis do brilliantly, and they have awful ports.

Jack says bad exhast ports, poor plug placement are the pitfulls. Nothing a little science can't fix up?
 
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