Milling XD / XE head

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Howdy Y'all,
Just received my 82 carby x-flow engine in Houston, Texas. The head has a few nasty gouges in the head gasket seal surface. How many metric mm or US thousanths can I have the head shaved without causing valve train to piston clearance problems? Also would like to know how it will effect the compression ratio if someone has that information available.
Dave
 
Paging Mr Aussie7Mains,Backlash, addo, My guess is 25 thou. More if your brave. I don't have the factory shop manuals.

Lifter pre-load becaomes a problem after more than 50 thou is shaved off, becasue Ford stock 50 thou shorter pushrods. I'd say it'd have to be a big gouge to need even 25 thou off the head. It's just like a Cleveland V8, you can plane it quite a lot. Factory run-out is something like 6 thou before rescimming, and there is no limit aside from the water galleries daylighting! Look at the tangs on the bottom of the deck face...they are the limit, then you'd risk getting an elaborate sprinkler system.....
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Thanks for the information. I will be taking the head to the machine shop this week for cleaning and refurbishing. Are there any upgrades I should consider while it is in the shop, ie 3 angle valve and seat cut, porting or polishing of intake or exhaust, anything else commonly done to these heads to improve performance or reliability? The engine will be rebuilt with stock cam, pistons, and crank. The stock crossflow has almost 80 bhp more than the US 200 I am replacing.
Dave
 
My advise, is do nothing now!

Like most things today, the priority is never getting detonation because of things like hard machined edges in the combustion chamber, and never going too high on compression. Pre Mid 1980 to October 1985 4.1's had compressions in the 9.35:1 range and needed hi test (our 95-96 RON unleaded) to run correctly. The Aussie market never got leaded fuel until late 1985, before that the octane was well over 97. Later (post October 1985) 8.8:1 compression carby 4.1's could feed on the state mandated 91 unleaded. I think your 87 gas is our 91 'petrol', and your 93 gas is our 95 or 96 grade because some boffin rates pump octane by a different measure here.

There's nothing bar a good 3 or 4 angle cut of the seats, and a very light debur of the edge of the combustion chamber with fine sand paper before the head is cleaned and assembled. The flow of this head is just wonderful, and because its alloy, even the so-called "worst" casting is going to handle a great deal of compression before detonation sets in.

Some info for you on my searches. Check with
Aussie7Mains, JD, or MustangSix about the details. Depending on the casting, you can do a few things. If its a late model casting (HF-6 or later) like the one without the EFI rail that is in Jacks photo below, I'd do nothing to it. It has set of big valves, great swirl properties, and the best valve inserts money can buy. Any modification will most likely create problems with detonation if you try to go over 8.8:1 compression. The fuel consumption, emissions and horsepower levels are perfect for a street engine. With the stock lift cam, there is any easy 185 hp hideing under its odd shaped rocker cover. These heads are much like the 86 EFI Mustang 5.0 heads. Great for a stock engine, but a liability if you are going ballistic with the compression ratio.

With the earlier heads (HF-5 and earlier), the intake valve is a about 50 thou smaller, but the heads chambers are unshrouded and flow as good as the HF-6's. If the 1.8" intake is added to the head in place of the 1.75" valve, you get better power, and even less detonation prone. You may be able to go a little more than 8.8:1. But all this discussion is relative to the South Pacifics old leaded gas that these cars ran. It had 97 RON/MON octane, and the 4.1 the HF-5 head came from was pegged at 9.35:1. On a 4.1, a head shave of 25 thou will raise the stock 9.35:1 up a little to 9.7:1, no problem with 93 RON.

If you go to the 93 octane, then 9.7:1 is possible.

What you get with a cross-flow, especially the later 1986 on HF-7's, is bag-loads of torque, I'd say up over 25% from the earlier log headed 250 engines, and perhaps 5-10% up on a 2V head 250. From 600 rpm to the 4500 rpm readline. If you have a 4.1 x-flow, it will run like a 5.0 2-bbl engine around town when you lugging it. If you give it a spin, there will be an easy 130 hp with a stock ADM 34 Weber on a 4.1, still using a similar cam profile to the US 200. The 4.1 x-flow was only a 126 or 131 hp engine, unmodified, without EFI, and between 149 and 161, then 162 hp. But with a 280 degree cam, and the right carby (500 cfm 2-bbl) you can get 195 on a late unleaded low compression engine with no other modifications. Dick Johnston was going to release an HO carby engine with the compression rasied of Shell Optimax 95 (your 93).

The headflow isn't the issue, its the cam, timing gear, the quality of the balancer, the size of the carb, and at about 290 hp, the rods and valve gear which are the limiting factors. Turbos could go to 350 hp with no bottom end modifications.
 
Xecute,
Way too much info to digest in a minute or two. I'll have to print this one out and go over it one point at a time. I wasn't aware that there were so many different heads and castings. Do you have a list of the casting numbers in one of the archive files I can pull up to see exactly what I am working on.
Dave
 
Yes, it is a bit of an ovakill. :?

No, I haven't seen all the nine variants that were alledgely made, and I'd actually like to start making a picture file, to explain it better.


Do a search for all
Discokin6's posts, most of what I've learned is from him, and he has some information there.
 
Just got the head back from the machine shop. The gouge in the cylinder seal surface was too deep to mill out. The shop weld-filled the gouge and then milled it. All new valve guides installed, seals of course, and a three angle valve and seat cut. Stock springs and reshimmed to spec. Total cost $234.00 USD. I am guessing that to be around $300 AUD. Would that be a normal charge for that type of work in Aus/NZ.
Dave
 
It cost me NZ $600 for my XE's HF 5 head.

It had to be re-TIG welded after a previous head gasket failure from some yobbo who wacked a Montorque head gasket on a hand sanded head.

It got a 3 angle cut, K-lined for guides, and another 100 dollars for the Permaset Grand Prix head gasket. Total 700 Kiwi dollars. Best money I ever spent! 1NZ dollar is about 0.58 US dollar here, and was only 0.48 five years ago when I had it done.
 
That's about $350 Aussie. Cheap - but normally I pay more and it includes a crack test and cc'ing.

Adam.
 
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