I think Doug and Mike need to get a G-Tech and do some testing. The Aussie 2V are cool, but I respect Doug for his efforts to get the most performace with what he has to work with, that's what Hot Rodding is all about. Mustangaroo Ak Miller did a budget hop up on a 67 200 Mustang with a 3 speed and 320 gear. The result was 105 HP at the rear wheels. All he did was mill head .060 valve job 1bbl carb from a 240 six header 2" duals Issky cam 260 duration .408 lift. Russell
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I have never said you can't get HP from the Log head, what I have been saying is everyone is trying to compare Built up engines to a stock Aussie 2V, I'll say this one more time I have a Stock Cam you know with .350 lift int/exh not a 260 performance cam that is probley good for an extra 20 HP!!!! 105 hp - 20 HP = 85 HP at the rear wheels!
Sorry if I sound upset I am not, every example presented that produces the same or more HP are all running a (bigger )performance CAM, not stock as I am! Sorry guys almost any after market cam is good for between 20-35 HP extra over the mods you do to the engine!
This is why I put my engine on the Chassis DYNO, to show that some very good numbers can be found with out rebuilding your engine! Now of course if your engine need rebuilding then install the cam of your choice (still kicking myself in the butt on that one) when you rebuild your engine!
Oh and before you think it's just the 2V carb that is making all the power, I have the same Holley 5200 265CFM carb that I had mounted to my log (hey I not only owned one but I'm saving it!) head and I can tell you that the Aussie 2V is where the power is comming from!
One more thing I Don't have a Clifford Port Divider installed! Now how much do they say that dog gone thing is worth?
Cheers everyone, I hope no one has been offended! May you all make your own choice in how you want to fix up you ride!
I have never said you can't get HP from the Log head, what I have been saying is everyone is trying to compare Built up engines to a stock Aussie 2V, I'll say this one more time I have a Stock Cam you know with .350 lift int/exh not a 260 performance cam that is probley good for an extra 20 HP!!!! 105 hp - 20 HP = 85 HP at the rear wheels!
Sorry if I sound upset I am not, every example presented that produces the same or more HP are all running a (bigger )performance CAM, not stock as I am! Sorry guys almost any after market cam is good for between 20-35 HP extra over the mods you do to the engine!
This is why I put my engine on the Chassis DYNO, to show that some very good numbers can be found with out rebuilding your engine! Now of course if your engine need rebuilding then install the cam of your choice (still kicking myself in the butt on that one) when you rebuild your engine!
Oh and before you think it's just the 2V carb that is making all the power, I have the same Holley 5200 265CFM carb that I had mounted to my log (hey I not only owned one but I'm saving it!) head and I can tell you that the Aussie 2V is where the power is comming from!
One more thing I Don't have a Clifford Port Divider installed! Now how much do they say that dog gone thing is worth?
Cheers everyone, I hope no one has been offended! May you all make your own choice in how you want to fix up you ride!
The rooster?Mustangaroo":235dl0mr said:No more post on this subject by me, I'd rather argue which came first the chicken or the egg?
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AzCoupe":10up4g0m said:I donno Doug, last time I was at the docs office, I was 271lbs. Must be all them rocks upstairs.
But I'll still beat you, remember I'll be bolting on those triple SUs sitting in my garage before then.
If I do come for a visit you better make sure the SU's are mounted in your car and running......If not, they might come up missing and I might have a new article to write up....."How I mounted Mike's (er I mean mine) triple SU's on a "Turd Head"
Russell,
I came so close to buying a G-Tech on my last Summit order....It came down to either getting the MSD 6A or the G-Tech...I'm sure you know which one I ended up with
Later,
Doug
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Your right I didn't plan on responding, but didn't feel it fair to others to give false impressions and someone not respond for the Aussie 2V owners (thanks AzCoupe), but I'm sure you know how hard it is not to post, since you have posted three times as many as I have since NOV 8th!
The Rooster coment, must mean you'll crow about anything?
Your right I didn't plan on responding, but didn't feel it fair to others to give false impressions and someone not respond for the Aussie 2V owners (thanks AzCoupe), but I'm sure you know how hard it is not to post, since you have posted three times as many as I have since NOV 8th!
The Rooster coment, must mean you'll crow about anything?
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sorry to interupt your skillful discusion, but does the granada 250 head bolt on to the 200 6. If it does, is it good?
I think I read this some where...
if not, then my imaginations getting the better of me
gimme a break I'm only 16 :roll: 
I think I read this some where...
if not, then my imaginations getting the better of me
gimme a break I'm only 16 :roll:
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wow great post guys! mustangaroo i would just like to say that i am extremly impressed with the oz 2v head. and of cource mustang geezer i am very pleased with the effort you put into your car. mustangaroo you are rite to question the "fairness" of the poll mustang geezers is built up more than yours. and yours is also a straight bolt on!!! witch is really cool!
i would just like to thank everyone for some great and "heated" disscusion's
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i would just like to thank everyone for some great and "heated"
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I think that in building up a Ford I6 for performance it's an individual thing, read all the posts, see what people say, look at the cost, and of course the coolness factor 8) and then decide for yourself what you want to do.
I chose the Offy triple set-up because there wasn't a choice for me (in the mid 80s, remember back when there wasn't an internet?) now there is but I'm choosing to stay with the Offy set-up, I don't have too, I just am (that'd be mostly the 8) ness factor) and will push that as far as I can for performance, is there better ways to achieve what I want? Maybe. If someone chooses to go a differant way than me are they wrong? Probably (only kidding )
I think that it is great we have a choice, at one time it may have not seemed that way. My only problem I have with the Aussie 2V is it looks too normal, a non Ford six person might not even see anything out of the ordinary when you pop the hood, but triple carbs that's something else .
See Ya,
Mike
I chose the Offy triple set-up because there wasn't a choice for me (in the mid 80s, remember back when there wasn't an internet?) now there is but I'm choosing to stay with the Offy set-up, I don't have too, I just am (that'd be mostly the 8) ness factor) and will push that as far as I can for performance, is there better ways to achieve what I want? Maybe. If someone chooses to go a differant way than me are they wrong? Probably (only kidding
)I think that it is great we have a choice, at one time it may have not seemed that way. My only problem I have with the Aussie 2V is it looks too normal, a non Ford six person might not even see anything out of the ordinary when you pop the hood, but triple carbs that's something else
.See Ya,
Mike
Mike, I have to agree with you on that point, the offy does have one up on the coolness scale. But as I stated earlier, a lot of the guys with OZ heads choose that direction simple because they didn't want to mess with multiple carbs. Even Doug, with all his talents, went back to a single 2V and is getting better performance to boot.
I think some decisions are based more on skills or easy of the modification, althought coolness and cost do have a bearing on the decision.
I originally choose the OZ head for that very reason. I wanted a single carb as compared to multiple carbs (performance being equal either way) as the plan was for a daily driver. Coolness (looks) was not much of a factor. To me, the coolness is getting the six to out run a V8. After all, how many people actually see whats under the hood. The only time I pop the hood is at the local cruise ins or car shows, and most of those guys do recognize the difference.
Now, two years later, I am swithcing to multiple carbs, but still with the OZ head. Performance is a factor in my decision, and coolness is right up there too, but the main reason, I got them for a very reasonable price and the car is no longer a daily driver. How many have triple sidedrafts (1V or 2V) on their sixes? I think you could count them on one hand.
Now if you really want to talk coolness, add one of Mikensons gear drives. You don't even need to pop the hood to get attention.
Bottom line, I think we have all agreed that any mod over a single 1V enhances the coolness, and that all three mods (modified log 2V , modified log multiple carbs, or the OZ 250-2v) can achieve about the same performance levels. Therefore the decision is based on primarily one underlying factor. If it is cost, and you have the skills and resources, then by all means modify the log head and add a 2V. If it is coolness, and you have the tuning skills, then multiple carbs are the way to go. But if you are looking for reliable performance, have only basic skills, want a proven 50% increase with a bolt on modification, then the OZ 250-2V is worth the extra money.
I think some decisions are based more on skills or easy of the modification, althought coolness and cost do have a bearing on the decision.
I originally choose the OZ head for that very reason. I wanted a single carb as compared to multiple carbs (performance being equal either way) as the plan was for a daily driver. Coolness (looks) was not much of a factor. To me, the coolness is getting the six to out run a V8. After all, how many people actually see whats under the hood. The only time I pop the hood is at the local cruise ins or car shows, and most of those guys do recognize the difference.
Now, two years later, I am swithcing to multiple carbs, but still with the OZ head. Performance is a factor in my decision, and coolness is right up there too, but the main reason, I got them for a very reasonable price and the car is no longer a daily driver. How many have triple sidedrafts (1V or 2V) on their sixes? I think you could count them on one hand.
Now if you really want to talk coolness, add one of Mikensons gear drives. You don't even need to pop the hood to get attention.
Bottom line, I think we have all agreed that any mod over a single 1V enhances the coolness, and that all three mods (modified log 2V , modified log multiple carbs, or the OZ 250-2v) can achieve about the same performance levels. Therefore the decision is based on primarily one underlying factor. If it is cost, and you have the skills and resources, then by all means modify the log head and add a 2V. If it is coolness, and you have the tuning skills, then multiple carbs are the way to go. But if you are looking for reliable performance, have only basic skills, want a proven 50% increase with a bolt on modification, then the OZ 250-2V is worth the extra money.
Just one point to Steve:
No one here runs a 2V on a 200. Always 221 or 250. Hence the larger carbs. The Aussies involved, generally know what they are doing. The GTR XU-1 is proof of an old six with grunt. And the 265 Hemi Mopar six.
I confidently predict that LeroyP's planned 221/2V combo will beat all 200s so far, bar AzCoupe's SUs. 'Specially with the Tremec.
And for a laugh: TWO dumped cars across the road from me (40 yards) - a '90 Falcon, propane converted OHC, and a Commodore - 202 cube, detachable manifold, Varajet 2V carb - both junk nobody wants down here.
Regards, Adam.
No one here runs a 2V on a 200. Always 221 or 250. Hence the larger carbs. The Aussies involved, generally know what they are doing. The GTR XU-1 is proof of an old six with grunt. And the 265 Hemi Mopar six.
I confidently predict that LeroyP's planned 221/2V combo will beat all 200s so far, bar AzCoupe's SUs. 'Specially with the Tremec.
And for a laugh: TWO dumped cars across the road from me (40 yards) - a '90 Falcon, propane converted OHC, and a Commodore - 202 cube, detachable manifold, Varajet 2V carb - both junk nobody wants down here.
Regards, Adam.