NEED: motor, 254, "M" series, 48-53, F600 or bus e

[M6ride]

Vinny, today you posted the following:

"Can't tell you the wall thickness right off hand but, I've overbored the "H"-series motors 60 over many a time with No problems. The same goes for the "M"-series 254."

Now, Vinny, I assume you wouldn't bore a 254 Ford engine 0.060" over w/o rebuilding it, correct? So, please tell everone here who is the source for the 3.5" + 0.060" pistons and over-sized rings for a 254 Ford "M" series engine?

 

[M6ride]

Vinny, read this & see if you can comprehend:

Flat-o Products builds an adapter and can put
together a package to put S-10 5 speeds or T-5
Borg-Warner 5 speed transmissions behind all
Flathead Ford motors 1932-1953. It will also work on
V-8 60's as well as V-12's.

The T-5 from S-10 has turned out to be the
transmission of choice when trying to put an overdrive
manual transmission in early Fords. Because the T-5
has internal shift linkage that can't be altered easily the
T-5 linkage is set forward on the transmission so the
shifter doesn't come out under the seat.

Note:

5 Speed Flat-o price $295.00 + S&H
¨ If you are using an original mechanical, or
cable drive speedometer you will want to use
early T-5. If you are using electric gages you will
want to use a later transmission with a pulse
generator.

¨ Because S-10's use a smaller input spline we
can supply you with a clutch disc (also pictured)
for your application. The S10 clutch disk is for
use with 14 spline transmissions.

¨ We also supply pilot bushings.


S10 Clutch

Due to the many different clutch part
combinations feel free to give us a call, we
have products available for most
applications.

 

[M6ride]

Vinny, what is the best 1/4 mile time that your '50 Ford powered by a 254 "8M.." series engine has turned todate at the Atlanta drag strip? ...or any drag strip?

Are you going to bring it to the 3rd annual Reunion, NHRA Nostalgia races (June 17-19) in Bowling Green, KY, this year?

What color is your car? I want to see it run!^!^!^!^!

Does it pull the front wheels off the ground on take-off?

What is your best 60-ft time?

What type tranny do you have in it?

What type differential do you have in it? and the gear ratio?

 

[addo]

C'mon guys. It's starting to sound a bit vindictive.

 

[Anonymous]

M6ride: I agree with you about what Flat-O-Matic states about putting a T-5 behind ALL Flatty motors, BUT I assure you sir, that what they failed to mention in their catalog, or on their web site is that they can do this to ALL flatty motors EXCEPT the flat six stock Bellhousings. What YOU need to do is, not review their web site, not review their catalog, BUT, call them on the (((phone))) and ask to speak with a tech representative. Only then will you know whats happeing when it comes down to they're product availability(s) for our flat six motors and NOT ALL flatty motors like you quoted, about what they said.

Also: I never go below 0.060 over on any of my rebuilds, regardless if they are G-series (which I do not utilize any more) "H"-series OR "M"-series engines. The reason being is, (and like I've stated before) you MUST sonic bore the block by an compative machinist who is fully knowledgeable about vintage engines, in this case our flat 6 motors. It would be in a un mature matter of a prson to build any type flathead, or vintage motor without this procedure. Again, you must call your souces on the phone and speak to their tech reps instead of relying on catalogs or web sites. Here is the ONLY company I rely fully on for ALL my internal engine parts, regardless if they already have them in stock OR they have to be specially made. (Thats laman terms) for those that can really comprehend the meaning of understanding; "comprehension"!! Got it?
http://www.egge.com/

 

[48fordor]

First - I don't care who said what in this discussion. I only want to get info on my flathead 6.

That said, I did get email back from Curnhusker Rod and Custom http://www.cornhuskerrodandcustom.net/
that told me their T5 kit will work with my '48 "H" engine. I haven't gone into details with them as I'm just in the planning stages right now.

I don't really care which bell gets used - II just want to see if there is a combination of parts that will let all this fit together. If someone here has already made the calls to various tech support lines, why make it such a secret?

Thanks,

Ed

 

[M6ride]

48fordor, the # (308) 468.5885 for Dwight

I spoke briefly with Dwight (hearsay), and he sells the AL plate ($100.oo) that goes between the tranny and the 2-pc bellhousing; you'll need a "hog's head" (he sells them for $40.oo). He'll send you some scanned photos for your collection, and answer all your questions, cause I'll be the first to admit that I don't KNOW all the answers, but there may be ONE on here that does KNOW! hehe

Good luck and please post your progress!

 

[M6ride]

Vinny, please post a few photos and details about your 50 Ford drag car.

Please post one photo with the front wheels in the air (no jacks under the a-frames), w/you inside driving it at the launch
pad, Atlanta dragway.

I'd appreciate it. I just love these Nostalgia race cars.

Oh, Vinny, are you going to Bowling Green June 17-19th? I want to see you race your car there.

Have a good day. :!:

 

[M6ride]

Henry was smart enough to design a unique 2-pc bellhousing for the V8 and a different one (perhaps) for the six, BOTH of which mate to the top-loader 4-spd Ford tranny.

Corrrct me when I go astray (OH, in case ONE of you can't figure it out Henry Ford)

Now, an adapter plate is made by several people (I have located a set of the plans for a few dollars), and that plate goes between the rear of the Ford 2-pc bellhousing and the front of the T5 tranny.

Are you following me, Vinny?

I have now seen a photo of it attached to a V8; so where is the problem?

There is none. Show me where I'm wrong.

I realize I have not addressed the clutch, pressure plate, etc., but that's peanuts.

Vinny, I'd love to hear your positive effects.

 

[M6ride]

Vinny, if I punch out a 254 (8M motor) to + 0.080" how many cubic inches will it result in; oh, calculatation just to the top of the cylinders will be just fine. ________ cu in

My calculator's battery is too weak for me to do it now. So thanks for your help!

At the Bowling Green Nostalgia meet I may have to race up against some 302 GMC's and that means serious competition, right?

:

 

[Anonymous]

Ok M6ride. Seeing is believing. I also saw that plate that you mentioned that was installed to the Ford V-8 Flatty motor. Looks very cool doesn't it?
NOW show (or give me) the name of the company that claims to make it for the flatty six motor, please!!!!!! If the adapter kit IS available for our sixes, I shall purchase a few from such company. I like the gusto in you. It reminds me of myself when I was (just, ehehehh) a lil younger. Nothing
like being different is it? You cannot believe the frustration/aggravation &
sometimes the humiliation I have received in the past from (even friends)
when they seen me comming down the street for the daily weekend street racing. It took a short time to gain their respect. But its worth it. What exactlly are you working on? Let us stop bunking heads and work together. One thing I've come to learn/respect is knowledge in our younger men. Happy Motoring............Hmmmmmmm.....I am guessing that you are younger than me, but WTF over?

 

[M6ride]

Vinny, I'm 61; I'm working with you, but you won't do the cubic inch calculations for me, U won't tell me if U race in Bowling Green, U won't tell me the color of your car, U won't post a photo of your car, U won't give me your best 1/4 mile E.T. U won't post a photo of your 3-carb intake

Mercy, U just won't cooperate with me.!!!!!!

 

[Anonymous]

Forget it. You will never beat a GM 302, even in its stock configuration. I don't care what you do to a flatty six motor, they have their valued limitations........

 

[Fred]

M6ride -
Cool off! What you might not have noticed is that the back of the H and M blocks are slightly different bolt patterns from the V8 block. The T5 adapter is made to go behind the bare '32 to '48 V8 block or the '48 - '52 bolt on truck bell housing. It should bolt onto the six truck bell housing, but it uses a different clutch setup that the car.
As for engine parts - the only difference between an H and an M is: the block, head (which interchanges), rods (which you recondition), pistons, camshaft (which interchanges), and the oil pan (which interchanges). The last Egge cataloge I got listed the M in it. If they don't now, don't worry. The Bearings are all the same and the solution to the piston problem? They are the same as used in the 337 cube flathead V8 Lincoln and F-7 & F-8 big truck motor. Years 49 to 51 in Lincolns and 48 to 51 in trucks.

 

[Anonymous]

Nothing you have told me, I did not know already, but thanks. Oh, the pistons do not interchange due to the cu inch displacement of both motors.
You seem to be knowledgeable about flat sixes, but so are the manuals.
Good luck in all that you do. I'm bored with this subject board, I'm moving on.....c-ya

 

[Fred]

Actually the pistons do interchange. The M is 3.5 by 4.4; the 337 Lincoln is 3.5 by 4.375, a difference in stroke of only .025. By looking in the '48 to 56 truck parts manuals you can find out that in '48 both motors used the same part number pistons. Oh well, you can't please everyone all the time.

 

[M6ride]

thanks, Fred

 

[Anonymous]

The ONLY similiarity between the M-series & the 337 Lincoln pistons is the circumference (if spelt right). Looking at the normaculture between the two, it is quite obvious that both pistons have a difference in ring glands and, split skirts, and rist pin location, hense/stroke of the two. I believe niether of you have personally built motors before. Just my oppinion, and we all know what oppinions are!!!!!!!!

 

[Fred]

M6ride-
If you can't find what you need at Egge, try Kanter.

 

[M6ride]

Fred, I have an e-mail aquaintance in CO, who has found an industrial (226) engine in a field and has obtained permissions to retrieve the engine and take it to his machine shop for further sonic testing. He has often wondered if the 226 could be bored to 3.5". He had his "pride and Joy" shoebox when he was much younger in the NJ area; he looked for a 254 in those days but could never locate one. He is going to update me of his findings. Unfortunately, the air cleaner was off the carb and it probably took on some water during rain storms. Therefore, it's questionable at this stage if the engine is rebuildable. I'll try to remember and post his findings here. 0.200 is a whole bunch to hope for, I know.

John