NEED: motor, 254, "M" series, 48-53, F600 or bus e

What do you mean by "further" sonic testing, if he found the motor in a field? Please clarify.......Any engine is rebuildable.........AND........an industrial 226 motor is just a 226 motor that was being used for industrial work. Ford never built a flat six industrial engine. If he did, it would incorporate heavier throws on the crank, thicker webbing to the block,etc, etc. Just some food for thought.
 
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I didn't mean to listen in, but,anything in this regard can be done.
And done nice and clean,and without an adapter.
The last project like this that I did was a Borg Warner super T-10
mated to a 57' Y-block/223 configuration.
No adapters, just four bolts,nice and natural.
For those of you that need the full picture:

Trans:Borg Warner super T10
source:AMC/AMX (69'/70'),W/390 ci eng.
condition:ruined

Engine:57' 223 six
model:F-100

Please don't post statements to me like "that can't be done"
I did it,and that transmission is ten feet from me on a shelf.
I handled this project in 1982,on borrowed equiptment,when I was 26.
Now I am 48 and have had my own shop for 20 years.
The one statement that really gets me going is:
"You Can't Do That!"
I always say the same thing, "Put on some safety glasses and stand back and watch"

PS: Maybe we should all worry less about when someone says something
can't be done.Instead measure carefully,make your drawings,
roll up your sleeves and do it. It is a lot of fun when someone looks under
your truck and says "What The Hell!" HA-HA-HA
To save myself telling the very long story I would tell a stranger,
"Oh yes those transmissions just bolt up"
I am sure this caused some heated discussions when the
stranger tried to pass on this info.


I could just hear it "But I Saw It With My Own Eyes!"
It almost makes all those hours of work worth it.

chips
 
To use the late V8 block with the existing transmission, Ford used a cast or stamped metal partial bellhousing on truck applications. The 6 and 8 versions were not the same, according to what I can tell.

The transmission case for '41-'48 V8 cars is the same as for the 1948 I6 (p/n 01A-7005). The '41-'47 I6 transmission case is not the same (1GA-7005). '49-'50 Ford used the same case for everything without overdrive (8A-7006A). The block for the '41-'47 I6 is not the same as the block for the '48-'50 I6.

Clutch "less disk", clutch disk, clutch release bearing, and clutch shaft pilot bearing are all the same part numbers for six or V8 cars in 1948.

Side note - I'm finding LOTS of things that were '48 only in the I6 world.

So, to put the '48 trans behind my '48 H series 6 there had to be a piece functionally equivalent to the "truck" bellhousing adapter but with proper holes to bolt to the I6 block. I haven't found part numbers on my engine yet, but my parts diagram shows a flat plate that bolts to the block and a "clutch housing" (7HA-6392) which bolts onto that and looks much like the more famous truck V8 stamped bell (8BA-6392 I think).

Going by all this what stops me from using the C4 or T5 adapter? I've heard earlier in this post that the H series requires a specific truck bellhousing (clutch linkage different from the car's pedal and linkage) for the C4 swap but I bet this is only true for '49 and later when the cars didn't use the '48 and earlier transmissions. I_think_ this is one area where my weird '48 only car may help me. The Flat-O-Matic conversion www site says that I'd need to use the stamped steel bellhousing like the one needed for a late block to early trans mating, which should be what I have.

Anyone want to fill in what I'm missing?

Thanks,

Ed
 
48Fordor - a few thoughts / facts

The stand alone cast bell housings were used in Ford trucks. The stand alone stamped bell housings were used in '49-early'51 Mercury. This is in relation to the bell housings that accept '32-'48 transmissions, not '49-later car trannies.

You can intstall a T-5 or C-4 adapter using the '48-52 flathead six truck bell housing and block to bell housing plate. As you already noted the trannies behind the H motor are the same as the V-8s. Having said that, I would caution you about the '47-48 passenger cars with the H motor (the H motor came out during late 1947). The G motor also had a removeable bell housing with a block to bell housing plate. Both the G and H blocks will accept any flathead six bell housing plate. I have owned a '46 with the original G tranny and a H motor bolted to it. Make sure that your car has the V8 tranny, not the G tranny. They look almost the same, and Ford was notorious for using up parts that would fit the next series cars in those days.

More thoughts on transmissions - the '49 and later overdrive trannies use the same tranny case as the non-overdrive trannies. The differences are the output shaft and tail housing. If you want to have an overdrive in your car without the complication / expense of a Columbia you have at least four options.
1- convert to open driveline and use a '49-early51 mercury overdrive tranny. These have the same bell as the '32-48 car unit.
2- convert to open driveline and use a T-5 or other modern unit with aftermarket conversion bell.
3- use a '42-48 Lincoln Zephyr overdrive tranny and shorten your torque tube. This is a very tight fit, but can be done. I can give more details if you are interested (tranny measurements etc.)
4- My favorite, Use a rambler overdrive from the 50's to early 60's and have your torque tube modified to accept this in the end near the rear axle. I can give more details on this too if you are interested. This is the least hassle because it does not change the shifter, rear motor mount, rear suspension, or require reworking the frame. I hope this helps, Fred.
 
OK, did we ever determine weather or not a 226 can be bored to 3.5/254. I just aquired a 50 226 and would like to punch it out.

Thanks Rod :roll: :roll:
 
51 Ford fan: to be sure, you would have to have the block sonic tested at a reputable machine shop; I do know that Egge.com sell .080" oversize pistons for the 254 and therefore they feel that's a safe range, apparently.

This is a message from a friend I recently received:

" I got my roadster back on the road with the built up 226 in it. Really runs strong. 060 over, balanced, 3/4 cam regrind, alum cam gear, .030 off 1HA head, new valves and springs, Edmunds 2 1bbl intake with 2 Zenith Bendix carbs, ports matched, dual 3 into 1 headers with flexpipe duals and glasspacks (Great sound). light fly wheel and clutch, Mallory centrifical advance dist. Am building a closer ratio gear box. ......".

I'm still working on obtaining the right 254, but I've been so busy lately I have no spare time.

Best to you
 
Anyone know if the engine in the Ford tractor (Funk 6-cyl conversion) is a 226 Ford engine; my research leads me to believe that it is. Does anyone know if it might have been a 254 engine? Here is a website of possible interest:

http://www.tractorshed.com/contents/tpic8673.htm

Here are some interesting comments concerning the flatheads in the tractors.

http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/shed.cgi?ag17_035.jpg

Any of you ever hear of taking a tractor engine and putting it into a car? Water pumps were different for one thing.

Anyone ever hear of a M-series, 254, engine in a Ford tractor? :oops:

THANKS
 
Since Ford offered the M as an industrial motor it is possible that one or two ended up in tractors, but I have never heard of one. As far as tractor motors in cars, Ford did something close to that in 1941. You could buy a 1/2 ton Ford truck or panel truck with the four cylinder tractor motor engine in it. It was intended for door to door light delivery use or very slow on the farm use. Most tractor motors made after '41 still have a fuel pump boss cast in them (but not machined) even though Ford tractors use gravity feed for the carburetor.
 
Fred, I wish I had known that you had your Ford sedan FOR SALE. 254 with 3-spd and OD, right? :?:

John
 
No, the sedan had a 226. I still have both my 254s (one may not be rebuildable, we'll see someday). It did have overdrive.
 
Vinny":1yul3lc8 said:
Lets put this subject to rest once and for all. The T-5 cannot, willnot, and never adapt to the Ford Flatty six Bellhousins. Only trans that WILL with some very lil mods is the early Ford 4-speed close ration Top Loaders, OR
the Ford C-4 Automatics. PERIOD. CASE CLOSED>>>>>>>>
Click to expand...

I installed an 89 S-10 T-5 5-Speed trans behind a 51 226 Flathead 6 and have been driving it for almost a year now, without any problems. So I don't know where Vinny get his information but he is full of balony for sure.


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