New exhaust system for inlines

AzCoupe

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I've been talking with the owner of Waldron's Antique Exhaust for several months, and they are now ready to start working on a custom dual out system for our inline sixes. Maybe a single out as well. The first will be for early Mustangs, followed by one for early Falcons. They're going to see if they can use parts from their new Arvinode system for V8s but tuned for a six, or a few other muffler combinations, hoping to get just the right sound (low and aggressive).

If you don't know what the Arvinode exhaust system was, check out their website. It has a great audio/video that shows how cool these sound.
www.waldronexhaust.com/arvinodedualexhaust.htm
What was the “Arvinodeâ€￾ System?
Mustangs built from October, 1964 through March, 1965 with High-Performance 289 "K"-code engines were equipped with a unique dual exhaust system. Originally produced by Arvin, the system did not utilize conventional mufflers; instead, the exhaust note was “tunedâ€￾ by combining the effects of resonance tubes in the front “mufflersâ€￾ with conventional resonators integrated into the tailpipes. The sound was unique; low, aggressive and loud. And it increased peak torque and horsepower!

To those of you that have offered your vehicles to help with the development, please contact me via e-mail, or Joe Tonietto @ Waldron's. joe@waldronexhaust.com

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Dont forget the big six owners....I think the search for a low and aggressive sound is the most common asked question.
 
inline300":1v65vjtm said:
Dont forget the big six owners....I think the search for a low and aggressive sound is the most common asked question.

Yup. The "240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance" section of the forum nearly always has one or more threads where members are discussing different exhaust combinations and how to get the best sound.
 
Mike, PLEASE tell me there's plans for a 62-65 Fairlane setup as well. Heck if my new job pays enough I'll get a second car and send mine out to you to serve as the mockup
 
The owner is going to try to make the kits universal. What he wants to do, is a kit that has both exhaust pipes running straight back from a dual out header, which would make them paralell to each other. Then turn the pipes outward, so they exist just before the rear wheel. Possibly in a single out oval exhaust tip. Such a system would fit any inline six application, providing it has a dual out header, or could also be made as a single out just as easily.

They'll also do a standard GT type dual out system.

Right now, they are just looking for a few guys who would be willing to take their cars over for an hour, a day, or may even a couple days, so they can take some measurements from the headers back. Hopefully different models and years, so they can compare.
 
That sounds like 63droptop's dual exhaust with flow masters on his inline six, I believe he had a cross-over (H pipe) in his system, too. AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did anyone save that sound clip?

Kirk
ps. that sound still gives me goosebumps when I hear it. Makes me want to ditch the turbo and run NA for the same reason.
 
kirkallen143":20wis5pv said:
Kirk
ps. that sound still gives me goosebumps when I hear it. Makes me want to ditch the turbo and run NA for the same reason.

Bite your tongue!! :stick:

Will
 
AzCoupe":1nq15f4q said:
Right now, they are just looking for a few guys who would be willing to take their cars over for an hour, a day, or may even a couple days, so they can take some measurements from the headers back. Hopefully different models and years, so they can compare.

Maybe hook up with them at one of their swap meets:

http://waldronexhaust.com/swapmeet.htm


I love the sound out of that 289 K code! I installed a glasspack hoping for that sound, but failed miserably. Even a kit [with or without headers] mufflers and turnouts would be a great universal then have a local muffler shop fabricate up the pipes.
 
Mike,

I just sent him a e-mail to get his hours so we can set somthing up so he can take his measurements off my car. As you know, hes only 25 miles from me and I drive right through Nottawa on the way to the race track on Friday nights.

I'll let you know what he says.

Took a while to download but that exhaust sounds WICKED!! :twisted: :twisted:

Curious as to what it would sound like on my car! :wink:

Later,

Doug
 
Great, thanks Doug. We all appreciate it. :wink:

Just for kicks, I did a recording of my 66 coupe today.
http://img532.imageshack.us/my.php?image=66pipesvm2.flv

Nope, its not a six, at least not yet. Right now it has a 347 stroker in it, but its coming out next weekend. I'm wondering how the pipes will sound behind the six that I'm dropping in it??? Its a 250ci with 10:1 and a 292 solid cam? It will be interesting to do a comparison.
 
AzCoupe":12actbch said:
The owner is going to try to make the kits universal. What he wants to do, is a kit that has both exhaust pipes running straight back from a dual out header, which would make them paralell to each other. Then turn the pipes outward, so they exist just before the rear wheel. Possibly in a single out oval exhaust tip. Such a system would fit any inline six application, providing it has a dual out header, or could also be made as a single out just as easily.



This brings up an observation Ive made over the years...and really isnt limited to ford, the small chevy inline six's have the same result. Ive danced around this for a while, trying to figure it out myself but I give up. :D

You stick a crossover pipe, dual pipes, couple mufflers, usually flowmasters and you get one hell of a nice sound out of the small six engine, for that matter, stick one flowmaster on there and it will have a nice deep tone...do the same thing to the big six and you get what you expect, a different sounding tractor than the next guy :D ...why is that?

I initially thought it was the crossover pipe but Ive since realized that it plays a small role, mainly in loudness, not so much tone. I initially felt maybe it was the 3/4 exh port sharing a common port on the small six, "build in crossover" if you will....but then I hear the new aluminum head/or a head with the divider installed and realize, thats not it. At one point I thought maybe it was the camshaft but after hearing many stock engines with modified exhausts, thats not it either. Next thought was firing order but well, no, that cant be it. My last assumption has to do with the differences in vehicle ground clearance and sound waves....and still debating whether it also has to do with the pipe size itself. As I notice people are using 2.25/2.5" dual pipes on the small six, is it possible the exhaust is oversized and slowing the exhaust/sound deepening the tone....although a single flowmaster on a small six can really offer that deep tone too... that "not ricey at all is that a v8 under your hood sound"...so maybe thats not it either. :)

Im just curious, as Ive made changes to my 300 and tried to listen to as many combinations as possible and nothing is coming too close to the small six's ability to produce a deep, throaty sound..specifically small six with dual pipes/crossover pipe/flowmaster 40 or 50's and some generic turbos sound nice as well. Ive heard a few 300's with the dual flowmaster setup, less the crossover and it wasnt close, it still wanted to get buzzy in the upper (above a couple thousand) rpm...with one exception, one 300 was running dual 3" pipe with flowmasters and it was close...which makes me lean toward pipe size as being the crucial factor to attain "that sound".

Any thoughts?

I thought about making a 1 3 5/ 2 4 6 dual header but that still wouldnt explain why there is this dramatic difference between the small and big six engines, youd think the 50-100 extra cubes would make it sound better but...not so much. I havent heard a big six 240 to determine if maybe stroke is why this is happening but I think thats a stretch anyway.
 
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