Oil Pressure modifications

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The vintage performance built 250 in the '61 still has a few mysteries. One of them is: the old build literature lists a Melling oil pump "blueprinted for High Pressure". The 250 starts cold with the oil pressure guage pinned and cruises warm @ 70-80 psi. when driven hard and hot it still idles with @60-65 psi.

How is this high pressure accomplished? ... I consider typical Falcon six' oil pressures @ 35-45 psi at cruise and hot idle at @20 or even lower.
Any negative factors I should anticipate?, dizzy & drive gear are OEM Duraspark-I .

I don't believe there are performance - high volume oil pumps for 250's. I've heard of shimming the relief/bypass are there other options?.

Thanks

 
powerband":14k7n7uc said:
..... The 250 starts cold with the oil pressure guage pinned and cruises warm @ 70-80 psi. when driven hard and hot it still idles with @60-65 psi....

Yikes! :shock:

That's some bodacious oil pressure there pardner. WAY more than is healthy for your distributor drive, etc.

Oil pressure is sorta like blood pressure; you die if you don't have enough but too much isn't so very good either.

Oil pressure is nothing more and nothing less than a RESULT of resistance to flow. Several factors work together to make this happen, one is how big of a hole you are trying to force it through, another is how much VOLUME you are forcing through the hole, and then there is the viscosity of the liquid.

Let us examine a system with no pressure-relief valve.
The oil pump sees the engine as a big leak, and it is constantly trying to fill that leak. By pushing enough VOLUME of oil, it is able to fill up the leaks and even maintain some back-pressure (this is what your gauge indicates).

If we change any one of these factors, the oil pressure will also change. Make the leak bigger (worn out engine) and the pressure will drop. Pump more volume and pressure will rise (this is why it goes up at higher speeds, the leak is still the same but more volume is trying to go through the same hole).

Lower viscosity oil leaks out faster, so pressure will drop from this factor as well.

So, high volumes of high viscosity oil being forced through a small leak results in high resistance to flow (oil pressure).
Enter the relief valve.

The relief valve is really for safety; we don't want to break the distributor drive, nor do we wish to blow the oil filter apart. Given enough resistance to flow and a strong enough drive, most automotive type oil pumps could make several THOUSAND psi pressure. Yup, don't reckon that would be very good for our engines either.

Trouble is, when the relief valve opens, part of the flow is diverted AWAY FROM THE ENGINE, which is where we want it to go. If we want that oil flow going to the bearings (we do) then ideally we want to run the oil pressure somewhere BELOW the relief valve setting. Remember, a relief valve CANNOT raise the pressure, it only DUMPS excess pressure.

One really big, common mistake is to put too big of an oil pump in, then maintain the pressure via the relief valve. All this does is take extra power to drive, heats up the oil further, and diverts the flow from where we really want it in the first place.

I would try some thinner oil, dunno what viscosity you are using but 0w-20 might bring that pressure down to a reasonable level and your oil (and bearings) would run cooler as a result.
Joe
 
powerband":3hm9lz1j said:
... I consider typical Falcon six' oil pressures @ 35-45 psi at cruise and hot idle at @20 or even lower....

My engine, listed in my sig., has 38psi at hot cruise and 15psi at hot idle so your typical pressures are spot on. I'm running Kendall Conventional 10w-40.

I bet your thing's a nightmare to start in the dead winter.....
 
Is that with single or multi weight oil? What viscosity? :? I echo the thoughts on cold weather starting. :shock: It's also probably a high parasitic loss.
 
Usually run straight 30 Rotella, this engine to me, is DFWI - vintage six cyl' . Sum of its parts is maybe more than the odd pieces - Indexed plugs, Glyptal'd internals, nothing incidental ...

I don't use the 250 as a daily driver . Anytime it's started, I take it to full temp. before shutting down. 'Still figuring build specs but run it runs great idle to WOT 8)
 
powerband":16eyr2yc said:
Usually run straight 30 Rotella......

This viscosity is obviously too high for you particular combination. It will run great until the distributor drive gives up the ghost.... :evil:
Joe
 
Lazy JW":3qdiuvns said:
powerband":3qdiuvns said:
Usually run straight 30 Rotella......

This viscosity is obviously too high for you particular combination. It will run great until the distributor drive gives up the ghost.... :evil:
Joe
Or the seals blow when revved high! :shock:
 
BIGREDRASA":6pok0n0u said:
Lazy JW":6pok0n0u said:
powerband":6pok0n0u said:
Usually run straight 30 Rotella......

This viscosity is obviously too high for you particular combination. It will run great until the distributor drive gives up the ghost.... :evil:
Joe
Or the seals blow when revved high! :shock:

Cruises interstate with OD tranny @ 2000rpm and regularly runs well into the 5K rpm range thru the gears for fun :|
Yeah, that's the dilemma, enjoy excellent running original configuration now or tear into it to fix what ain't broke --- YET... :?

Have Fun 8)
 
Race engines use that high of oil pressure. Heavy duty dist drive and race quality filter needed. For street hi- volume rather than hi- pressure oil pump is the better choice for all the reasons listed above.
Suggest you change oil pump before somethings pops, until then use a lower viscosity oil.
 
powerband":3705hv9j said:
.....
Yeah, that's the dilemma, enjoy excellent running original configuration now or tear into it to fix what ain't broke ---

Not really; just put some 0w-20 into it and be happy. It will not turn your engine into a pumpkin, I promise.
Joe
 
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