Twin Turbos...Is It Possible?

[Anonymous]

ya i understand where you are coming from about the timing and such since we cant use stand-alones n such. sucks.......i know. would using race gas have any affect on the leaning out thing? just wondering. and dont worry about killing my dreams, lol, cuz i know it is extremely difficult to put twin turbos on an anything.

 

[Mustangaroo]

Higher octane gas will help but having the dizzy recurved is the best way to solve most of the problem.
Remember no matter what you do to your engine it is no better than the weakest part installed! The only reason my engine hasn't gone boom is I don't drive it hard and I don't let my son drive it at all! A heavy foot makes a lite wallet!

 

[Anonymous]

lol, ya, i know about that. good thing i dont beat on my car. i would really be replacing parts then. it is fun being able to floor it and not spin the tires most of the time though. i totally launched seabiscuit on this acura RSX the other day. unfortunately his gangsta VTEC kicked in and i got owned after about a block. still fun though.

 

[hasa68mustang]

i totally launched seabiscuit on this acura RSX the other day. unfortunately his gangsta VTEC kicked in and i got owned after about a block. still fun though.

your just jealous.... j/k

All this tuning stuff is the stuff that scares me about the turbo scene...

ok short story... On the way back from busch gardens I had some kid look over at me in his goofy looking hi-po prelude... well my friend next to me was telling me about it and how bad it would smoke me... well that just encouraged me to get next to him and floor it and with my loud exhaust he gave a quick look and changed lanes and I let off not allowing him to pass me.... man would I like to have a turbo and a 5 speed, and a better rear... and a single color car..... man I seem to get off topic....

But yes tuning is what I would not like to go through... wouldnt the msd BTM solve a few problems with timing? Then I would need a better fuel pump correct? anyone ever actually see what cast pistons can do? I know Dan semms to be doing better with them then his rods... and A/F guage, another thing, I dont know if my dad has one of those.... I have been watching ebay just incase I see any good deals...

 

[Anonymous]

Just a thought but isnt it possible to do a direct port injection with a homebuilt intake, I know that there are plenty of companies out there that will make the brains to control the injecters. Anyways wouldnt this overcome the problem with tuning the rich lean condition associated with adding the turbos to a carbarated engine. Second thought, cdi ignition, is it possible? Maybe I dont know what I am talking about, but it was just a thought.

 

[Mustangaroo]

Any thing is possible, with MONEY! But if your on a budget forget it, as all most all performance six parts cost more than the V* models? They sell more so the price is less! But for a reality chack I have been on this board about four years and I can only think of one or two guys who have tried one of those fancy computer contolled gagets and one of them is Mr. FORDSIX himself and I don't think he was very pleased with his experiance. It sounds easy controllong fuel pressure, boost, temp, A/F ratio, dizzy, all without a computer to make it all work in harmony....... It only makes you feel more proud when you get your six running under boost with a carb, mechanical dizzy, stock fuel pump, and the seat of your pants experiance and you know your one of a hand full of Ford six owners that are doing it and not blowing up your engines!

 

[Anonymous]

Just a thought but isnt it possible to do a direct port injection with a homebuilt intake, I know that there are plenty of companies out there that will make the brains to control the injecters. Anyways wouldnt this overcome the problem with tuning the rich lean condition associated with adding the turbos to a carbarated engine. Second thought, cdi ignition, is it possible? Maybe I dont know what I am talking about, but it was just a thought.

thats a good idea, HKS sells a computer that controls another single injector. but like mustangaroo said you would need the cash to do it.

and NO IM NOT JEALOUS....lol. as someone on 3si.org once said, "ahhh vtec, all of the lag, none of the turbo. its like waiting for bad sex." you shoulda seen his face when i took off though it was awesome. "voom,,voom,voom,vrrrooooOOMMMMMM," -chirp-, "VROOOOOOOOOOOM......"-then about a block later i hear it- "waahhhhhAHHHHHHH"...-get passed up and ownt-

 

[Anonymous]

Yes! But how well did it drive down to the local store on a hot day?

As far as I know, there NO driveability issues.

And next week when you toast your engine, you'll be lucky you don't have alot invested in that setup.

Toasted how? You may be right.....but what makes you so sure??

I am running AvGas, which is around 100 octane, and I have no pinging issues. The effective compression ratio of a 8:1 engine at 20 psi is only 12:1, so 100 octane is plenty.

I hope you have a chance to properly tune it before she let's loose, it is usually recomended that you do not exceed 27* advance on a boosted engine then you detune it from there if your not running the proper grade fuel for your setup.

The fuel I am running is fine, and I doubt my timing is even that high.

Unless your distrubitor is broken it is advacining about 34-38 degrees in stock form.

I'll have to check it, but I seriously doubt timing is that high. This is an early 80's smog motor, Ford DID NOT have agressive timing numbers during that era in order to keep NOX numbers low.

As a final note - - don't knock me until you let me try this.
I have several of these engines around to play with and am NOT afraid of breaking something.
The wideband O2 arrived so I hope to make some more progress as I find time (not easy due to long working hours)

 

[Mustangaroo]

someone wrote:

As a final note - - don't knock me until you let me try this.
I have several of these engines around to play with and am NOT afraid of breaking something.
The wideband O2 arrived so I hope to make some more progress as I find time (not easy due to long working hours)

Knock your self out sonny, you can try anything you like! Sorry I was only trying to educate you about somethings you don't seam to know and I see you don't want to listen to either! I didn't know you were just talking out loud! You need not reply I'm done with this thread!

 

[Anonymous]

WOW!! I feel tension on this board.

 

[STEVEN.]

It's YOUTH:......You can't hold it down :rolflmao: 8) . OO6./The-X-Or-Six!

 

[Anonymous]

It's amazing how misconceived things in print can become. To my ears no one was even trying to downgrade you or anything mustangaroo.

you obviously know whats best and you run it. A lot of people just have to run there own setup to see if it works and how well it works even if that setup is no good. It's the stubborness in us all i guess.

 

[Anonymous]

I just feel like someone is trying to tell me something I am doing will NOT work,

when so far it seems like it will work just fine.

I just need to do some more tuning, but I am not expecting any explosions to occur.

It's like the old Confucious saying: "Man who says 'it can not be done' should not interrupt man making it work"

I am boosting 20 psi on AvGas with no pinging or parts breakage.......maybe someone is just jealous of me!!

 

[Anonymous]

So my question for you guys is, why are you so scared of FI? It's NOT that expensive. Have you ever heard of Megasquirt? It is a FI controller that is completely tuneable and you can get one with a wiring harness for less than $400 on e-bay. Of course you have to built the rest of the setup like a pump, injectors, sensors, fuel rail, FPR and so on, but still, it's not going to be that much more than a good quality carb. To be honest, carbs scare me, not FI.

 

[Anonymous]

Magasquirt is the only one worth playing with, IMHO.
It is well proven by a lot of guys having a lot of success with it.

 

[xzerokidx]

So my question for you guys is, why are you so scared of FI? It's NOT that expensive. Have you ever heard of Megasquirt? It is a FI controller that is completely tuneable and you can get one with a wiring harness for less than $400 on e-bay. Of course you have to built the rest of the setup like a pump, injectors, sensors, fuel rail, FPR and so on, but still, it's not going to be that much more than a good quality carb. To be honest, carbs scare me, not FI.

You could build one yourself and buy the injectors, fuel pump, and regulator for under that. The controller itself can be built for way less...

 

[addo]

Neongreen, I would love to play around with EFI. The first hurdle for us sixers is a CAS that's effective and readily fitted. After that, I believe it's much more straightforward. The idea of tuning on a dyno without having to pull the carb apart or regraph the distributor, really appeals.

As for the "what if it breaks down in the middle of nowhere?" argument - well, I hope the protagonists are going to plan for every contingency, not just car ones. Insurance with towing cover will do me fine.

Cheers, Adam.

 

[Anonymous]

lol, definetely some tension. i think twin turbos are VERY possible. we just need to make a few more advances in our technology first. once we can get a reliable EFI type of fuel system, the sky will be the limit. I am just not ok with these engines right now. i KNOW that these engines are capable of putting out more than 300hp. we just need to do a little more testing, which was the whole point of my idea.

 

[xzerokidx]

:idea: Alright, I can put an end to this question...

Everyone donate all the money they have in their wallets to me and I will build a Fuel injected twin turbo 200ci I6 that can be daily driven and make 300hp. and everyone can copy the set-up

Hey i'll even send back the money I dont use for the project.

 

[Anonymous]

I am not sure how I could work it into my budget, but I would love to upgrade to the new Aluminum SP head with a turbocharger, that should make 300 HP pretty easily.