Urgent! Anyone ever seen a factory Capri 2-bbl 3.3 log head?

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Refer attached. I'm looking at a legal 2-bbl smog carb which will pass a CARB inspection, IM test and visual inspection. Evidence was given by Motor Trend in 1981 that the Capri RS had a 97.5 hp 3.3 version package based on the standard T or B-code Futura/Fairmont/Zephyr/Cougar/Mustang 85, 94 or 87 hp 3.3 liter engine. It wasn't a raging firebrand, and did just 90 mph top speed and a 19 second quarter with a 2.49:1 diff and 0.80 overdrive SROD 4-speed gearbox, California spec trim. But it did go in a nice light 2640 pound car.

Long time ago,former member MarkP (now guest ) intimated in his posts that there was an authorised
(read EO endorsed) factory 2-bbl carb option for RS Capri 3.3 and that Ford were working on a planned but shelved fuel efficency Campas Interceptor package after the Iranian fuel crisis in 1981 for campas security.

Anyone seen one, have photo's or real army proof of the package?

What code engine was it?

I've only seen this B-code six cylinder in line engine below as a 3.3 option in after 1980 for Foxes,




and there is no evidence elseware that a 2-bbl Mustang or Capri 3.3 six ever existed.

See 26th, 27th, and 28th engines in http://mustangattitude.com/mustang/engine_allci.shtml

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I hope this helps. Here are the re-enlivened links to a factory experiemental 2bbl head from old ebay files. Any one got a Capri RS with one of these set-ups?

Note: Carb is a Motorcraft 2-bbl, but it isn't the one that came with the XE casting head.


 
Looks like the valve cover and the carb would be trying to occupy the same space in that pic with the carb on the head.
 
The above article from Motor Trend raises some major issues. What exactly is a Holley W carb? Looks like a wrongly concatenated hotch potch of info. Ford made a Motorcraft VV, and a 2100 and 2150 series feedback carb. Holley made a 5200 and 6200 series feedback and non feedback progressive 2-bbl called a Holley Weber or Holley, but not a Holley W as far as I can tell

Never seen one Holley W 2-BBL carb, but its likely to be a Holley Weber 2-bbl carb .

To fit the progressive Holley 5200 or 6200 2-bbl carb, the above head would of course have to use another adaptor to turn the carburettor around like on the 104 hp Z-code V6 Capri/MustangII/79 Mustang V6/79-80 Mercury Capri.






If a variant of the 2300 series Holley 2-bbl was used, it would have had to use a 4-bbl 4180 series float bowl, and a 5 1/8" carb rebate like the old 340 six pack carbs so it would have just cleared the rocker cover. They have the return line/evap emissions 5.0HO 4V ala LeMans style bowl. The back part of the 5 1/8" carb circle can be cut off. Pony carbs does that with its trip power 289 set-ups on the 2100 carbs, so Ford would have to have ordered a specific tri power 2300 series 2-bbl carb with the 4180 series emissions upgrades and that mod to clear the rocker cover.







If it used the Ford VV carb, I'm not sure how it would have been mounted
 
I maybe could use that setup on my 77 Maverick 250 since it has to pass Ca. smog tests of emiss. & visual. Unless it's a 75 down you can't do much here. :bang:
 
Carb just looks like a Motorcraft not a Holley. Head maybe looks as to have an Experimental Casting Number on intake log?
 
Carb is a Motorcraft, but it isn't the one that came with the XE casting head. Its just there from person who posted the head on ebay :wink:
 
Interesting setup think I remember reading that mag article or one like it about the TRX suspension packages.
 
I had one of the 79 V6 Pinto back in late 80's the carb on it was a Holley progressive like a version of the Weber's.
 
Just a polite revamp because this 2-bbl RS Capri 3.3 has to be the Fox body's real enigma...


Changed the name of the post from "CARB Executive Order for 97.5 HP 2-bbl Capri RS 3.3 carb?" to "Urgent! Anyone ever seen a factory Capri 2-bbl 3.3 log head?"

FYI, this post is real similar to the big bell 3.3 flexplate part number post back in 2004. That post stayed open for 4 years, but almost nobody has seen any part number or VIN evidence of so-called legit factory options.

And I know its not because people here ignorant or don't care, it lookes like Detroit was fast going down the road of econo six cylinder cars in 1981, and then all of a sudden a glut of cheap Regan/OPEC oil in 82 bumped down 2-bbl and big bell sixes to no priority and 4-bbl and CFI 5.0's suddenly became most wanted.

I might post this on the Four Eyed forum..it's just too wierd not to have any feedback on what MUST have been a real factory 2-bbl Mercury 3.3.
 
I believe the guy who had that head was in Kansas, on the south side of Wichita. I remember talking to him about this head. One of my friends and I were going to drive up there to check it out, but I can't remember or understand now why we didn't. The one he had was experimental. Notice the log is wider and flater with a recessed area for where the adapter bolted on. Also note the XE cast into the log, the epoxied area for a sensor at the aluminum EGR adapter and the scribed part number on the aluminum. IIRC, he said there was a limited production run of special service vehicles/Fairmont police cars.

Darrell
 
I've got a 2bbl adapter I snagged out of a 1980 Mustang with a rather oddly set up 2-bbl. I just figured it was a stovebolt adapter and Chrysler version of the Holley-Weber but I should look at it again. Someone remind me when I get home in about 2 weeks.
 
IIRC the carbs were supposed to have been a variable venturi 2 bbl, like the ones Ford used on a lot of cars manufactured for California in the late 70's & early 80's.

Darrell
 
I have only seen one factory 2bbl log head. Last I saw guy was selling it on Ebay. IIRC bidding went to $500 and guy would not sell. It had a X on the part number meaning it was a experimental part. Never seen one except that one.
 
Anlushac11 »

You already asked those questions on Four Eyed Pride in 04-05-2007, good man...you were way ahead of the pack...


http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthread.php?t=44291

No listings for 2700 or 7200 VV Motorcraft 2-bbl carbs exist for 3.3 Fords or Mercury Capris.

I'm kinda woundering how this carb could have ever fitted to a 3.3 I6

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In 1979, Ford introduced a 370 cubic inch big block truck engine with 2v Holley 2380EG carb, a totally emissions legal 2300 series Holley with 4180 Mustang style float bowl and return line and hydrocarbons vent. So although Holley say the 350 and 500 aren't emissions legal carbs, Ford definately had emissions legal Holley carbs on offer.

It has done yeomans duty behind Ford F and D series trucks (F600, D600 Carpenter Bus etc) from 1979 to about 1995. I'd say that was the carb Ford would have used as the 7200 VV might not have fitted.

Other possiblity was that a version of the 350 cfm 2305 split down half a 600 cfm carb was used. A few were made, but not continued with.

If anyone has any further info,I'd be happy to know.
 
I am not 100%, but ironically I did see something very similar a few weeks ago. Problem was I had no idea what kind of car it was. It wasn't until I got home that I found out it was a Capri (honestly I had never even seen one).

I'll head back out there on Saturday and investigate more.
 
Thanks for the time and effort.

That T top RS 97.5 hp 3.3 engine previewed by Motor Trend in the March 1981 article

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/motor-trend/326-9.jpg

has yet to be verified.

What I'd give to find that car

As stated, CARB would have an EO on a special Code engine if it existed, and it looks like it was an exclusive Capri RS pacakge.

Still interested if any further info comes to light.

Note: Discussions with a new Australian owner of an Ex California 1981 Black Magic Mercury Capri seam to verify 87 hp 3.3 1-bbl C4 combo. Mine is an ex California 1982 3.3 1-bbl C3 combo, so the spec changed without rhyme or reason.
 
yEEEEEES!!!! I think I've found it

Code X = 200ci 1bbl or 2bbl (Canada)/3.3L I6, found in http://www.supermotors.net/registry/media/72354


I think that means the 2-bbl version might have an EO number, an emissions calibration, and a valid production option
:rolflmao: :hmmm:



Update: Nope, X code is just the name for the 1983 1-bbl 3.3, last year offered.


The 2-bbl VV 2700 or VV7200 wouldn't have fitted either...ITS A 4-BBL SIZED CARB, WITH 2-BBL INTERNALS

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