Want to go all out but need your opinions!!!

[Anonymous]

I want to go with a fully redone engine, but not sure of problems i may be facing. First I want to replace the ignition system, then I would like to start with the performance part:
1. New Clifford blueprinted head
2. 1.6 rocker arm assembly from clifford
3. 264 cam from clifford
4. New rods (not sure of what type)
5. Aluminum Alloy Pistons w/pins .060 over bore rings (I belive that's right)
6. New Main, Rod, and Cam Bearings, Lifters, Springs, Retainers, and Valve Locks
7. Dual Outlet Headers w/ port divider
8. Webber 38/38 carbs

Please tell me if I missed anything, vital or not!!!!!! Or if I'm going about something wrong. Any opinions would also be welcomed!!!

Thanks Again Everyone

 

[rbohm]

8) ok here goes;
1: first check with mike at www.fordsixparts.com about an aussie head before you go to clifford, might save some money
2: again check mike's prices on the rocker assembly
3: the cam is good, but again mike has cams as well.
4: rebuilt stock rods are very good so save you money there.
5: replacement cast piston will do just fine unless you are going to do some serious racing, and stick to a .030 overbore.
6: federal mogul makes probably the best rings and bearings, though perfect circle is also very good.
7: again check with mike on the header, and if he doesnt have a port divider listed on his wedsite, then check out national parts depot, or autokrafters.
8: check out stovebolt for webber carbs.

 

[CobraSix]

If I were going to go all out, I wouldn't do it with Cliffy.

Their 'blueprinted' head as far as I know is nothing but a rebuilt log head. When you consider that you can get an Aussie head, have it rebuilt and valve enlarged to the max for $1000, there is just no comparison. Only thing is you may have to wait longer, but IMHO, there is no way a log head will ever compare to the aussie head and intake as far as equal footed performance (same cam, engine, etc).

I would once again look at www.fordsixparts.com . I've spent a few paychecks there...and I have been extremely pleased with products and service. Mike is a person we all know and someone who has contributed greatly to the fordsix community. CLiffy has been taking us for granted for years and it shows. Maybe they have turned a new leaf, but who knows. I know Mike is dead on, so I stay with him. Heck, I would have bought my cam from him if he had them available at the time.

Slade

 

[Anonymous]

He guys thanks for the info. i will definately go with Mike. I've heard that clifford was something special, but if his reputation is not so good then I won't even approach the company.

A few questions I have about the aussie head.
1. Availability?
2. Fitment?
3. Compatability with other engine parts?
4. Will it take away from originality?
5. Do I have to run certain parts to coincide with this head?

Thanks Again for the info guys!!!!
Please feel free to suggest anyting, It would be greatly appreciated!!!

 

[65coupei6]

You have to check with Mike for availablity. But, it just bolts on. It sure doesn't look original. Do a search for some pics.


I know someone locally who went to Cliffy for a 250 head. You don't even want to know how much it cost $$$$ Plus they don't stock the 1.6 rockers any more. They refered my friend to Mike

 

[falcon fanatic]

Okay, I'm about to blaspheme, but it has to be said. If you want to go all out :

. New Clifford blueprinted head
2. 1.6 rocker arm assembly from clifford
3. 264 cam from clifford
4. New rods (not sure of what type)
5. Aluminum Alloy Pistons w/pins .060 over bore rings (I belive that's right)
6. New Main, Rod, and Cam Bearings, Lifters, Springs, Retainers, and Valve Locks
7. Dual Outlet Headers w/ port divider
8. Webber 38/38 carbs

That sound like about a $3,000 worth of work for like 175 hp. On the other hand, $1,500 gets you a "low mileage" decent Supra turrbo engine with a five speed trans on ebay . Figure another $1,000 to get it installed and running, and another $500 for final tweaking. Done right, 300hp for the same price, or less. Plus it's probably lighter and has the potential to make 400 hp for only a few hundred dollars more. It;s still an inline six...

 

[xctasy]

Okay, I'm about to blaspheme, but it has to be said. If you want to go all out :

. New Clifford blueprinted head
2. 1.6 rocker arm assembly from clifford
3. 264 cam from clifford
4. New rods (not sure of what type)
5. Aluminum Alloy Pistons w/pins .060 over bore rings (I belive that's right)
6. New Main, Rod, and Cam Bearings, Lifters, Springs, Retainers, and Valve Locks
7. Dual Outlet Headers w/ port divider
8. Webber 38/38 carbs

That sound like about a $3,000 worth of work for like 175 hp. On the other hand, $1,500 gets you a "low mileage" decent Supra turrbo engine with a five speed trans on ebay . Figure another $1,000 to get it installed and running, and another $500 for final tweaking. Done right, 300hp for the same price, or less. Plus it's probably lighter and has the potential to make 400 hp for only a few hundred dollars more. It;s still an inline six...

No offence at blasphemy taken. Just my views. Thanks for yours. Toyota is a real high quaility product, but there's no free lunch.

The only way to have a good performance engine is to make it yourself.

I have seen RZ Toyota Supra engines go very cheap. If reworked in a mild sense, then they are great engines. A great deal depends on getting a pre-loved engine which is in good condition. After seeing what Osaka Toyota drivers do to there cars, I'd never want to rely on a overhead cam engine being a safe prospect. Lots to go wrong!


If I wanted an import Toyota engine that gives 400 hp, then I'd have one already. The issue is that although they are made like swiss watches, they are awfull to work on, have a very expensive inventory of bits (mostly electronic), and the TRD crew are no-where near as nice as FSPP, or even Clifford on a bad day. The information is locked up, with no-one able to critique it. The stock twin turbo set-up is bit flawed, with most people looking at a big T61 replacement. Expensive!. I mean, I don't mind spending money to gain performance, but the blocks are heavy, the extra strengthening gear makes them more unreliable under boost, and the parts are, very, very expensive.

Over here, the Holden Commodores ran Nissan RB 30 engines, one of the best six cylinder engines ever made. Guess what? They are expensive to rebuild too. Bits for them are getting harder to source, and most guys end up custom making stuff. Yes, I've seen 650 hp engines in 1992, a 1000 hp RB26et Iin 1995, and current Skyline GTR's have done 1200 hp+ with Nitrous and still seam to hang together.

 

[Anonymous]

The 2JZGTE engine could be classed as the strongest mass production 6 ever
300kw is easy work with only a rise in boost (12psi) and a good intercooler and filter 12psi is about the max for std turbo's as the shaft is a 2 peice and the ceramic wheel drops off .
But with a big single this engine will make in excess of 400kw with out even taking the valve cover off.
In std form they push a 1490kg supra down the quarter in 13.7sec and make 451nm at 3800rpm.
Only problem with 2JZ is its very pricey to buy and modify...

The better option would be the 1JZGTE VVTI engine
Its a 2.5ltr single turbo inline 6 and has 206kw @ 6200rpm
and 378nm @ 2400rpm and like its big brother is also extreamly strong and can make huge HP with only bolt on mods..
I know of one of these engines making 570rwhp its internaly STD with a pair of kkk k26 turbo's , programable EFI, a set of 750cc injectors and 25psi boost.
Runs mid 10's in a 1400kg car

 

[CobraSix]

back to the MAIN thread.

Cliffy's reputation has gotten better lately. They went through a long period where they just took advantage of years of Jack CLiffords work. That's where Mike came in.

No, this is not a paid advertisement. But, talking about money and HP, the rebuilt Aussie head, with a cam, enlarged valves, roller tipped rockers and a new carb would cost you about $2000 and you'll have more then 170BHP. I still have to get mine dynoed. Just working out some exhaust issues right now. That, and my starter finally died this week and I'm tired of hitting it with a hammer to get it to work.

Slade

 

[Anonymous]

Thnaks Again guys, but I'm trying to restore a classic mustang. The car is a 1966 mustang with 29,000 original miles on the drivetrain. Going to another engine just isn't an option. I'm trying to keep originality, but will sacrifice to help the asthmatic condition of the original head. But to put a toyota engine in a classic mustang is not something I would ever be interested in. But I do thank you for giving me another option!!!!

If anyone knows of another head that keeps the originality, but is better than the original I would greatly appreciate your help!!!

I believe that if you are going to restore something to it's original state then expense should not matter. So $ is something that I am willing to spend to achieve perfection with originality.

Thanks Again for all of your time and opinions!!!!!!!!!!

 

[falcon fanatic]

I hear you. It's just that I've got a frined who builds turbo supra race/street engines (www.racetep.com) so i am eternally being tempted. Certainly would compromise that "all original" look, though...