wastegate

matt1967

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with my 3.8 draw through turbo, if I cannot find a new or used flapper valve to fit it, is there any way I could use an external wastegate work?
 
you bet! you will just need to block off the internal passage on the hot side. generally this is done with a plate bolted in plac eof the elbow with your exhuast welded to that.

kinda on this topic how do you size wastegates and relief valves? linc can you help on this one?
 
I notice that the external gates have 2 flanges, 1 on the side and 1 on the bottom, how do they get hooked up? also with the oiling thing, could I install a remote oil filter and run the turbo oil lines in line with it? I know they do this with oil coolers but not shure if it's a good idea with a turbo.
 
one of the flanges will bolt before the turbo and the other will re route the exhaust past the turbo to the downpipe after the turbo. At least thats what Ive come up with... in my head it makes sense... lol
 
Hasa68 is correct.
The flange where the valve face is visible, is the side that will be attached to the header prior to the turbine housing.
The other side (where you can see the backside of the valve) will be bolted to the downpipe/exhaust system or you can just exhuast it to atmosphere.
Will
 
could I make a neat cap on the side that goes into the down pipe, with vents in it? or should I route it back to the down pipe for street use, I can do that anyway. the way the Buick turbo is attached is through a pipe attached to the manifold, and the pipe has a flared end, a flange crimps over this and that's how it hooks in. cutting into this pipe for the wastegate and welding a flange should prove no problem.
 
I would just route it back in. if you vent it think large exhaust leak. may not be fun sucking in exhaust everytime you lift the throttle.
 
For a street car it's always better to route the exhaust from the wastegate into the downpipe wherever you have a convenient location to do it.
If you leave it open to atmosphere then it'll get loud when you floor it and the wastegate opens.
Although this method will tell everyone (including the police) that you're turbo'd and that you're on the gas!
Later,
Will
 
I'll route it into the down pipe. what do I use, like a 1 5/8" primary headder tube?

also if I get a '68 distributor w/ mech adv should I run a boost timing retarder, like an MSD 6 BTM?
 
how much power do you think I'll make. I'm going to use a '80 head with the big chambers and valves, draw through buick 3.8 turbo which is a T3 super 60 and a wastegate that hopefully has a 3.5 PSI spring and a boost controller, that way when I don't want boost, I don't have very much.
 
hasa68mustang":sbmmfqv8 said:
ummm so that would limit your boost to 3.5 psi? if so not very much power... oops im retarded I just reread your post...
my thinking is that I could eventully get a electronic boost controller and set it up so it dosn't boost until I get going, like past 1,500 or so. help with traction that way
 
If you're going to use the smaller 38mm wastegate (Deltagate size) then the 1 1/2 or 1 5/8" tube will work great.
Put the 6lb spring in the wastegate. If you don't want the boost to come on, then don't mash the throttle.
Initially set the total timing at 27 degrees. The tune from there. If you're running a mech adv. distributor, then just limit the amount of travel so you'll get a 10 degree or so swing. That way your initial timing can be around 17 BTDC and total at 27 BTDC.
Will
 
how would I limit the timing on a mech advance distributor? I'v learned how to lock out vac advance on GM Hei's but never learned on how to lock out mech advance? it would be for a '68 points distributor most likely, maby a duraspark II
 
matt1967":28jcjx6n said:
like past 1,500 or so. help with traction that way

You will never be spooled/making boost by 1500 rpm! You'll be lucky if by 3000


matt1967":28jcjx6n said:
it would be for a '68 points distributor most likely, maby a duraspark II

Forget points, do duraspark only. You will have to slide the reluctor off of the shaft and carefully remove the vacuum advance plate to get to the centrifugal weights underneath.
 
matt1967":1kycxlf4 said:
makes sense. I'll put in the Duraspark II with a MSD 6AL with a retarder box on it. or is that overkill?

you mean with BTM...."Boost timing master" timing retard function??

Forget those

matt1967":1kycxlf4 said:
how much HP will I make from this setup, approx? thanks.

al least 1 hp per cube, bot enough information to really say for sure.
 
I mean the box that allows the use of retard moduals ( it plugs into a 6Al not the 6 series box that has it intergrated ), I could get a 10* retard modual to limit the advance curve 10* so it would be 27* like Does10's suggested.

as for extra info for HP. I will be putting in new cast dished pistions and new rings, the '80 head and the carb will be a 600 CFM Holley blower carb and for the cam Adv dur - 268/274 Dur @.050 - 208/218 Lift -.455/.480 Lobe center - 110* Range - 1600-5400 which is mikes mildest cam I ran this setup with Dyno 2000 and came up with 275 HP, seems high. I'd be very happy with 200 HP. thanks in advance
 
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