Which oil pan?

[corkscrew]

I just bought a very low mileage 1980 Fairmont for the 200 and 3 speed auto as a replacement for my '62 Ranchero. I noticed the oil pans are quite different. Can I swap over the Ranchero's 170 pan to the 200? Do I need to change the oil pump pickup also?

Thanks, Bill

 

[rbohm]

yes you can swap the 170 oil pan to the 200, and yes you do have to swap the oil pump pick up as well. remember that the oil pump pick up is what matches the pan.

 

[xctasy]

.......Can I swap over the Ranchero's 170 pan to the 200? Do I need to change the oil pump pickup also?

Thanks, Bill

Four points to note. Others chime in, its been years since I've played with the early four bearing 144 and 170's, though they are great little engines, Ford made a huge amount of little changes in the mid sixties before and after the 200 was born. Others have said 144-170-200 share just about everything important, but the Fox parts won't help you.

1. Yes to the sump, it should be a straight swap. There is a potential issue with pickup though. Although they made a 1964 (65 model year) change, all 1960 to 1970 Ford pans are interchangable for the 170 and 200.

http://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_falco ... ntego.html

2. Not certain for your 170 pickup. This new one for 65-77's listed as Melling Oil Pump Screen Assemblies 65-BS is the best option. The pickups are magnetic, and using old ones is a flase economy. But that's your choice...

http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/m ... refilter=1

First option is to see if you might be lucky with the existing 170 one, but the difference is that the 200 has seven main bearings, and you might need to find a seven main bearing tube and oil pickup from the 1965 to 1977 X-shell (non Fox) 7 mains engine.

The early 170 oil pump is slghtly different, and the pickup tube from the 170 might hit the 200's extra main bearing cap. Be aware that old Fox oil pickup tangs tend to crack, so a good 65-77 200 oil pickup is critical, its very easy for a damaged pickup or sump to come in contact with the floor of the tin sump, and then block off the oil supply like a sucker on a window The realative placement isn't visable unless you trial fit it with plasticine. Often, people who have done a sump swap suddenly find they have zero oil pressure, and freak out. Usually, its a sump to pickup issue. It's be noted a few times in posts at FordSix over the years. If you are able to check that, you'll be good.


3. The dipstick, basic part number 6750, has to sit in the old 170 position, there is a casting bung on all Fox 3.3 engines for it. That cast iron blank needs to be drilled out for an interferance fit. The Fox Ford hole needs to be plugged with leadshot or a brass welsh plug.


4. The small bell housing dowels need to be accessable, and a new version of the the manual gearbox pilot for the 170. added to the 200 First question to ask is "You do have a high mount blue colored 200 Fox six, dontcha?" You are aware of that the orginially grey low mount starter engines ( about half of the 1981-1983 production was low mount) are unable to fit an early 170 transmission.


Good fortune.

 

[Crosley]

I swapped over the oil pan off my 170 in my 1962 Falcon on to the 1978 200 engine & trans from a Fairmont. Had to move the dipstick tube also . The Fairmont block had dual locations for the dipstick tube. You remove the plug in the block , move to other dipstick hole.

 

[corkscrew]

Thanks for the heads up on the pickup, and I never even thought about the dipstick. I think I will buy a new pan and pickup so I can have the new motor ready to drop in.
Hey 'Crosley' were you able to use the original crossmember for the trans or?

 

[Crosley]

Thanks for the heads up on the pickup, and I never even thought about the dipstick. I think I will buy a new pan and pickup so I can have the new motor ready to drop in.
Hey 'Crosley' were you able to use the original crossmember for the trans or?

My 1962 Falcon originally had the 3 speed manual trans. I built a cross member for the C4 transmission to mount on. Similar design to the cross member some company offer for the update power train