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TwoFiddy Build KS 2018

Post #1 by DreiPower61 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:08 pm

Im already a bite into my build but I want document my progress here incase anyone is interested.
Im a novice engine builder. This is my first ever engine build project.
Ultimate goal: Build a fairly unique daily driver for a 61 Econoline Pickup. (1-2 hour drives, mild lope idle, plenty of pep, and something worth raising the hood for folks to look at).

Progress so far:
Falcon Performance Handbook - Purchased, read twice and counting...
Pulled engine from Econoline - 200 C6DE, Rebuildable
Craigslist search - Purchased 3 Engines for $150, 250 D2DE, 200 C8DE & 200 C5DE

Found a local “one man” automotive machine shop within 3 miles of home with an owner that loves this sort of stuff. Willing to let me do a lot of the work.

Disassembled 250 Block and Head
Verified 250 Block and Head serviceable
Tanked and blasted Block and Head
Bored Cylinders .030 and honed
Removed broken exhaust bolts and or drilled and coiled.
Surfaced Block deck to true
Surfaced Exhaust ports
Found adjustable rocker assembly in one of the other craigslist engines, pulled, tumbled and cleaned.
Ground and balanced crankshaft
Verified deck height (Crankshaft centerline to block deck) at 9.488
In Process:

Enlarge Intake valves to 1.75
Enlarge Exhaust valves to 1.50
Verify valve guides serviceable
Install hardened exhaust seats
Verify Compression ratio current (Goal 9.2-1)
Formulate plan to achieve CR goal
Machine intake log for Tri-Power set-up. (Need Offy tri power bracket or formulate customer flanges)
Order lots of parts!

I think thats about it so far. Any input, cautions, advice is gladly received!
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73 250 Head Shot Blasted
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73 250 Crank, Tanked, Shot Blasted, Ground and Balanced
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73 250 Block, Tanked
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73 250 Head Tanked
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Re: TwoFiddy Build KS 2018

Post #2 by B RON CO » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:12 pm

Hi, figure out if you need any Econoline only parts, maybe oil pan, which won't swap to the 250. Also figure out your tranny situation since your new engine is a low mount SBF style, and the Econoline came with the high mount starter. Good luck
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mod '61 Econo for 250 engine

Post #3 by chad » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:11 pm

thanks for the post & esp the pic, W E L C O M E !!!

" ...if you need any Econoline only parts..."
1) engine hangers? due 2 motor change
2) dog house enlargen? " " " "
250 is bigger than 144, 170, 200 the econobx came with (wider, higher, not longer - I don't believe).

Seth, an active member here, just went thru this with his early econo. Also there's some great folks over at Vintige-Vans dot com. The ford owners come over here w/the real knotty problems (motor) & we visit there. Ford-trucks.com is another of my favs but not much on the 250 (240/300? yes).
Ya saw the Handbook - ck the Tech Archive @ above crossed screwdriver/wrench & keep talkin
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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Re: TwoFiddy Build KS 2018

Post #4 by bmbm40 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:18 pm

Awesome build post it is a good read. Nice progress and planning. That is the way to do it.
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Post #5 by bubba22349 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:04 pm

:beer: congrats your off to a great start! :thumbup: :nod:
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I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Re: TwoFiddy Build KS 2018

Post #6 by wsa111 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:25 pm

Can you put a 250" into an Econoline??
67 mustang,C-4, with mod. 80 hd, custom 500 cfm carb with annular boosters, hooker headers, dual exh.-X pipe, flowmaster mufflers, duraspark II dist. with MSD-6AL. Engine 205" .030" over with offset ground crank & 1.65 roller rockers. 9.5 comp., Isky 262 cam.
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Post #7 by drag-200stang » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:42 pm

The best way of removing the broken bolts in the head, is to weld a 3/8 nut to whats left.. Line the nut up and weld through the hole..The heat will loosen the rust.
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Re: TwoFiddy Build KS 2018

Post #8 by Econoline » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:12 am

wsa111 wrote:Can you put a 250" into an Econoline??


Yes you can, but it's a lot simpler if you do it into a 65-67
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Re: TwoFiddy Build KS 2018

Post #9 by DreiPower61 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:58 am

drag-200stang wrote:The best way of removing the broken bolts in the head, is to weld a 3/8 nut to whats left.. Line the nut up and weld through the hole..The heat will loosen the rust.

Sounds like a great idea but I won’t get a chance to try it on this block anyway, we’ve got them all taken care now. Thanks for the tip!
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Re: mod '61 Econo for 250 engine

Post #10 by DreiPower61 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:07 am

chad wrote:thanks for the post & esp the pic, W E L C O M E !!!

" ...if you need any Econoline only parts..."
1) engine hangers? due 2 motor change
2) dog house enlargen? " " " "
250 is bigger than 144, 170, 200 the econobx came with (wider, higher, not longer - I don't believe).

Seth, an active member here, just went thru this with his early econo. Also there's some great folks over at Vintige-Vans dot com. The ford owners come over here w/the real knotty problems (motor) & we visit there. Ford-trucks.com is another of my favs but not much on the 250 (240/300? yes).
Ya saw the Handbook - ck the Tech Archive @ above crossed screwdriver/wrench & keep talkin

All excellent tips! Thanks! I have indeed been into the Tech section and continue to refer to it.

Did Seth have a builders log on here? Iv’e been searching and I do see his posts but I can’t seem to find anything on his build/install?

The biggest unkown for me at this point is the engine install but Im going to put that into the back of my thoughts for now and concentrate on the engine build first. By the time Im done with the engine I may find a newer model Econoline for a good price and in better shape than my 61 so no sense in making firm plans yet.
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Re: TwoFiddy Build KS 2018

Post #11 by DreiPower61 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:32 am

Econoline wrote:
wsa111 wrote:Can you put a 250" into an Econoline??


Yes you can, but it's a lot simpler if you do it into a 65-67

Seth do you have a builders log that I could take a look at? Would you link be to it, I can’t seem to come up with it.
Thanks!
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Post #12 by chad » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:41 am

WoW, the "pick-up".
Kouwell, ever do, know of any 1 who's done, a 'nose stand'?
:shock:
Greatly exaggerated claim?
I had a buddy who did so w/a FC Jeep...
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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Re: TwoFiddy Build KS 2018

Post #13 by Econoline » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:44 pm

DreiPower61 wrote:
Econoline wrote:
wsa111 wrote:Can you put a 250" into an Econoline??


Yes you can, but it's a lot simpler if you do it into a 65-67

Seth do you have a builders log that I could take a look at? Would you link be to it, I can’t seem to come up with it.
Thanks!



http://vintage-vans.forumotion.com/t39799-my-250-swap

I used a 65 170 crossmember, removed the inside frame mounts and moved them fwd to the 65-67 position, dropped them 1 1/2" iirc, and added outside mounts. The 61-63 frame is a little thinner, so you may want to beef it up a bit in that area. Also had to cut out for the trans hump like the 65-67's. I got a 65 doghouse but ended up using the original. It fits, barely.
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Re: TwoFiddy Build KS 2018

Post #14 by DreiPower61 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:10 pm

Thanks for the link Seth. Great build and I have to say, a bit intimidating for a novice like me. One step at a time I guess. :thanks:
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Post #15 by chad » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:22 am

"...a novice like me..."
don't even go there, we got all kinds from them just startin thinkin bout gettin a car all the way to international experts w/yrs deep in the industry. 'S what I like about commin over here. Ask any Q & still get treated w/respect, good answers, work around solutions, how to avoid knuckle busters, savin money...all done w/respect, grace, and even a few good laughs
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Stick around and enjoy.

BTW: what's the "KS" mean in yer topic line?
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Post #16 by wsa111 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:15 pm

Nice job Seth. How is the performance??
67 mustang,C-4, with mod. 80 hd, custom 500 cfm carb with annular boosters, hooker headers, dual exh.-X pipe, flowmaster mufflers, duraspark II dist. with MSD-6AL. Engine 205" .030" over with offset ground crank & 1.65 roller rockers. 9.5 comp., Isky 262 cam.
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Post #17 by Econoline » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:24 pm

It's been running great. :beer: It gets along nicely. I've got almost 3000 miles on it now. Never has any overheating issues other than carb vapor lock after being parked hot. But I think that is somewhat unavoidable with these vans. Between swapping to an HEI module and replacing the RBS with a YFA, my pinging under load and rough idle when stopped in gear problems are gone. After about 1500 miles or so the old AOD loosened up a bit and is shifting perfectly now. It liked to skip 2nd gear for a long time. Eventually I want to do a 2v conversion on a spare D5 head I have and go GM TBI. There are some things I would have done differently in hindsight, but I'm pretty happy with how it all turned out. If it weren't for the desire to have an AOD for road trips I would have just put in a 200, way easier with a 61-64 van or truck.
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Re: TwoFiddy Build KS 2018

Post #18 by DreiPower61 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:30 am

chad wrote:"...a novice like me..."
don't even go there, we got all kinds from them just startin thinkin bout gettin a car all the way to international experts w/yrs deep in the industry. 'S what I like about commin over here. Ask any Q & still get treated w/respect, good answers, work around solutions, how to avoid knuckle busters, savin money...all done w/respect, grace, and even a few good laughs
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Stick around and enjoy.

BTW: what's the "KS" mean in yer topic line?

Thanks Chad! I agree, Ive seen nothing but positive input here, very refreshing! It’s Chad here also by the way and the KS is Kansas.
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