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What electric fuel pump?

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What electric fuel pump?

Post #1 by StarDiero75 » Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:22 pm

Howdy guys,

I'm looking at possibly going to an electric inline fuel pump. I'll eventually be going to one anyway when i go to the Holley Sniper 2300 so I'd like to have everything in place for it already. What kind of pumps are you all running?

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Ryan
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Re: What electric fuel pump?

Post #2 by pmuller9 » Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:02 pm

The Holley Sniper 2300 uses the part # 526-7 fuel pump kit
https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_sy ... arts/526-7

Just the 12-920 fuel pump alone.
https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_sy ... rts/12-920

You will have to add a low pressure return regulator to use with the present carburetor.

Might as well use it and be ready for the Sniper when the time comes.
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electric fuel pump w/sniper

Post #3 by chad » Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:17 pm

yikes!
any 85 G/H would wrk, no?
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
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Re: electric fuel pump w/sniper

Post #4 by pmuller9 » Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:22 pm

chad wrote:yikes!
any 85 G/H would wrk, no?


Only if it can supply 60 psi of fuel pressure and be reliable.

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Re: What electric fuel pump?

Post #5 by 65coupei6 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:44 am

Honestly, just wait and don't swap to an electric. Wait until you do the Sniper. For the price of that Holley pump I would just swap tanks with an internal pump.

The internal pump will run cooler and quieter.
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Re: What electric fuel pump?

Post #6 by StarDiero75 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:46 pm

65coupei6 wrote:Honestly, just wait and don't swap to an electric. Wait until you do the Sniper. For the price of that Holley pump I would just swap tanks with an internal pump.

The internal pump will run cooler and quieter.

After seeing the price and thr logic of just buying the pump now instead of a different one, i will pass for now lol. The tank thing is my problem. So i have a Ranchero, how or where do i get one with a pump inside of it?
--1965 Ranchero w/1966 200, dual friction diaphram 9" Modern Driveline clutch and billet flywheel all balanced, 1985 SVO WC T5 with front shift, 1966 2.8 Ford 8", 2V converted built 1980 head, Autolite 2100 1.08, Dual out VI headers, Custom curved DUI, 256H Schneider cam 2.5 degrees advanced with dual roller chain, 2" exhaust with H pipe and Flowmaster 40s
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Re: What electric fuel pump?

Post #7 by StarDiero75 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:48 pm

pmuller9 wrote:The Holley Sniper 2300 uses the part # 526-7 fuel pump kit
https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_sy ... arts/526-7

Just the 12-920 fuel pump alone.
https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_sy ... rts/12-920

You will have to add a low pressure return regulator to use with the present carburetor.
Holy crap, yeah I'm gonna pass till its time. I was planning on buying the whole kit for the sniper 2300 but now I will wait lol. Thats a lot of money

Might as well use it and be ready for the Sniper when the time comes.
--1965 Ranchero w/1966 200, dual friction diaphram 9" Modern Driveline clutch and billet flywheel all balanced, 1985 SVO WC T5 with front shift, 1966 2.8 Ford 8", 2V converted built 1980 head, Autolite 2100 1.08, Dual out VI headers, Custom curved DUI, 256H Schneider cam 2.5 degrees advanced with dual roller chain, 2" exhaust with H pipe and Flowmaster 40s
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Re: What electric fuel pump?

Post #8 by pmuller9 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:59 pm

StarDiero75 wrote:[ The tank thing is my problem. So i have a Ranchero, how or where do i get one with a pump inside of it?

There are universal retrofit in-tank electric pumps available.

Ask Econoline about his conversion.
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Re: What electric fuel pump?

Post #9 by 65coupei6 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:14 pm

lol. Go to Google and type in 1965 Ford Ranchero efi gas tank. There are some options you can look into.
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shuve 1 in yer ol tank

Post #10 by chad » Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:21 pm

yeah, I like the bronk one
23 gai & only $625. No wounder
they get so much for those vehicles now...
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
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Re: What electric fuel pump?

Post #11 by StarDiero75 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:57 pm

Fun story guys, so i just found out that my DUI isn't compatible with the Sniper due to it producing a dirty signal.

I'd still like to consider an electric inline pump for the carb. It'll open up a little room in the engine bay, plus it'll help fill the carb for startup and help prevent vapor lock.

So what kind of inline pumps do you all recommend with a carb?
--1965 Ranchero w/1966 200, dual friction diaphram 9" Modern Driveline clutch and billet flywheel all balanced, 1985 SVO WC T5 with front shift, 1966 2.8 Ford 8", 2V converted built 1980 head, Autolite 2100 1.08, Dual out VI headers, Custom curved DUI, 256H Schneider cam 2.5 degrees advanced with dual roller chain, 2" exhaust with H pipe and Flowmaster 40s
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Re: What electric fuel pump?

Post #12 by pmuller9 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:58 pm

If you are never going to need a high pressure pump for an EFI system then use the Walbro GSL395
https://walbrofuelpumps.com/walbro-gsl3 ... -pump.html
It will do 20 psi max and handle up to 280 hp.

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What electric fuel pump?

Post #13 by chad » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:20 pm

pmuller9 wrote:If you are never going to need a high pressure pump for an EFI system then use the Walbro GSL395
https://walbrofuelpumps.com/walbro-gsl3 ... -pump.html
It will do 20 psi max and handle up to 280 hp.


Also...if ordered w/their sock filter U might B able to throw it in the tank (convert) when
goin w/the efi at a later date. Truly the best of both (but consider the pmuller caveats).

I don't lik'em as dangerous and all the extras needed. But they do figure inta ones decision
tree when certain conditions are met (lots of vapor lock, efi). Plez consider a 'kill switch' (oil
pressure switch-off, toggle on dash, oem style crash - off) when installing (something, anything). :nod:
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), '69 250ci, NV 3550 & DSII, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", tool boxes, etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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Re: What electric fuel pump?

Post #14 by pmuller9 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:38 pm

chad wrote:Also...if ordered w/their sock filter U might B able to throw it in the tank (convert) when
goin w/the efi at a later date. Truly the best of both (but consider the pmuller caveats).

The Walbro GSL395 is a low pressure pump and will not work with any EFI system. That was the point.
If it is used with a low pressure carburetor fuel regulator with a return line to the tank it will use very little current so it will run cool and the constant flow of fuel will give it additional cooling so it will live a long happy life.

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What electric fuel pump?

Post #15 by chad » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:22 pm

"...not work with any EFI system..."
:nono:
thank you, sorry (I'm too hopful, hey?)
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), '69 250ci, NV 3550 & DSII, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", tool boxes, etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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Post #16 by pmuller9 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:49 pm

chad wrote:"...not work with any EFI system..."
:nono:

The minimum fuel pressure requirement for any EFI system is 43.5 psi
The Holley Sniper systems operate at 58.5 psi.
The above mentioned pump has a max rating of 20 psi.

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Post #17 by chad » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:22 pm

WoW, no wonder all the warnings around them, I'm thinkin
THAT could harm a body good (bad)! (40, 60, 80 psi of petrol!)
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), '69 250ci, NV 3550 & DSII, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", tool boxes, etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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Post #18 by Econoline » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:22 pm

If you are seriously considering going to efi I'd first try and add in a return line and install a regulator with a return line to the tank with the mechanical pump setup. If the problem is still annoying you then you can add in the pump you'll need for efi and already have the right regulator and return in place to keep the carb at 4.5# or whatever with the 90 psi pump efi will require. Otherwise you'll be buying another pump and reconfiguring when you inevitably decide to go fi, be it holley, fitech, megasquirt or what have you. Holley has a drop in sniper sender/pump for 60-65 falcons(they claim) for $335 but those don't have a return line, you could easily solder one in to their sender though from the looks of it or plumb it into the vent or wherever makes sense. I think tanks inc makes an efi tank for your application(or falcon at least) but with the pump and sender it's more than $500. I took my old sender and made a pump with a return line for about $150, but I had the sender laying around. I found a good pump to buy, AEM 50-1000, moved the rheostat and changed the geometry/extended the float arm with a bit of stiff wire. I bought a 25' spool of 3/8" steel fuel line(most of which I still have), clamps etc and I found the right pickup sock for it, Delphi# FS0103. I haven't installed it yet though. I used a rubber grommet to insulate the hot wire to the pump and seal the hole around a short ss screw stubbed through and washers locks and nuts on either side. I added a grounding stud threaded thru and soldered on. The old supply is the return. I don't think it's sketchy.

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I layed out the old pickup point and designed it to meet that point, the sender still work, and the return inject at the sock. But above all it had to fit through the hole. Wix# 33482 with an Aeromotive# 12701 is the right filter and frame clip for this setup, post pump right off the tank then the normal filter at the carb. And don't forget your fuel pump block off plate like a SUM-402035 if/when you go to an electric pump.
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Post #19 by Econoline » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:27 am

chad wrote:
pmuller9 wrote:If you are never going to need a high pressure pump for an EFI system then use the Walbro GSL395
https://walbrofuelpumps.com/walbro-gsl3 ... -pump.html
It will do 20 psi max and handle up to 280 hp.


Also...if ordered w/their sock filter U might B able to throw it in the tank (convert) when
goin w/the efi at a later date. Truly the best of both (but consider the pmuller caveats).

I don't lik'em as dangerous and all the extras needed. But they do figure inta ones decision
tree when certain conditions are met (lots of vapor lock, efi). Plez consider a 'kill switch' (oil
pressure switch-off, toggle on dash, oem style crash - off) when installing (something, anything). :nod:


I couldn't agree more. Having the pump fused and wired through a relay that is fed or grounded through an oil pressure switch AND a rollover or inertia switch should be considered imperative.
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