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Post #1 by garrilla » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:50 pm

I just finished building ac, alternator and power steering brackets for my 223 equipped 59 Ford Ranchero today.
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Post #2 by bubba22349 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:03 pm

:beer: looks good :thumbup: :nod:
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Post #3 by manglass » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:47 pm

Nice Job!

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Post #4 by B RON CO » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:40 am

Cool! My brother had a 59 Ranchero. I wish I new he was selling it. I always liked it. Good luck
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Post #5 by ChuckinNH » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:36 pm

Nice and clean looking. How much distributer clearance do you have?

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Post #6 by garrilla » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:15 pm

ChuckinNH wrote:Nice and clean looking. How much distributer clearance do you have?

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Post #7 by peeeot » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:58 am

Looks very professional!

Where did you source a dual-sheave crank pulley?

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Post #8 by garrilla » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:44 pm

peeeot wrote:Looks very professional!

Where did you source a dual-sheave crank pulley?

I found it NOS on ebay. I had to have the hub shortened by a machine shop as it was about 7/8" longer than the original one. It was listed to fit a 262 and it fit the crank diameter and key fine but the TDC was also off about 8*.

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Post #9 by Daves55Courier » Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:18 am

In 1957 and later year 223 engines, the front right side of the engine casting was redesigned to include two mounting bosses for 3/8" N.C. bolts. The bosses were placed one above the other and a few inches apart. I never saw a '57 or later 223 that had anything bolted to those, but my guess was that they could have been used for A/C compressor mounting.
I actually have a factory add-on crankshaft pully that came off of a '59 223 that was used for the factory power steering. The pump was mounted way down low on the left side and piped up to a remote fluid reservoir. I could not see how they mounted it. I have a '58 223 and there is one in-used bolt hole at the left front side that might have been used for the lower ps pump brace, but I could not see how they mounted an adjustable stabilizer for the pump unless they used a longer bolt on the front exhaust manifold?

Is there enough room to unscrew the ps reservoir cap with your arrangement? looks really close to the alternator. Can you get the bottom radiator hose on the water pump? Is there room to get the vacuum line on the distrib vacuum advance can? I guess you are going to mount the ignition coil in an alternate location? Your brackets look really nice, but I would coat them with cold galvanizing compound at the very least so they wont rust.

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Post #10 by garrilla » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:50 pm

Daves55Courier wrote:In 1957 and later year 223 engines, the front right side of the engine casting was redesigned to include two mounting bosses for 3/8" N.C. bolts. The bosses were placed one above the other and a few inches apart. I never saw a '57 or later 223 that had anything bolted to those, but my guess was that they could have been used for A/C compressor mounting.
I actually have a factory add-on crankshaft pully that came off of a '59 223 that was used for the factory power steering. The pump was mounted way down low on the left side and piped up to a remote fluid reservoir. I could not see how they mounted it. I have a '58 223 and there is one in-used bolt hole at the left front side that might have been used for the lower ps pump brace, but I could not see how they mounted an adjustable stabilizer for the pump unless they used a longer bolt on the front exhaust manifold?

Is there enough room to unscrew the ps reservoir cap with your arrangement? looks really close to the alternator. Can you get the bottom radiator hose on the water pump? Is there room to get the vacuum line on the distrib vacuum advance can? I guess you are going to mount the ignition coil in an alternate location? Your brackets look really nice, but I would coat them with cold galvanizing compound at the very least so they wont rust.


There's a couple of inches room for the PS cap. I've had it all mocked up and everything fits well. I found heater hoses with a 90* bend molded in for hose from the water pump. The coil will mount in the original spot. I'll post a few more pictures so you can see the details. I'm going to sand blast and paint all of the brackets.
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Post #11 by garrilla » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:34 pm

[quote="garrilla"][quote="Daves55Courier"]In 1957 and later year 223 engines, the front right side of the engine casting was redesigned to include two mounting bosses for 3/8" N.C. bolts. The bosses were placed one above the other and a few inches apart. I never saw a '57 or later 223 that had anything bolted to those, but my guess was that they could have been used for A/C compressor mounting.


I spent some time today trying to get the A/C compressor to fit the two mounting bosses down next to the oil filter. It would be a great location but there are too many obstacles (Lower Radiator Hose, Battery Tray or the V-belt hitting the Radiator Hose). The compressor does clear the Oil Filter housing but just not enough clearance elsewhere. Might work if an idler pulley could be rigged up to make the belt miss the lower radiator hose.

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Post #12 by Daves55Courier » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:40 am

Oh, I see, now you are using that bottom hole for a stabilizer for the heavy end of the compressor. For a minute there, I was kinda scared that all that weight was cantilevered off those two little coil mounting bolts way back there. And I realize the belt is going to pull toward the engine, but still, it seemed like it needed more support. You know what would be great, is if you could have gotten another bolt there at the front in line with those two coil mounting bolts thru that long steel bar. There is a mounting boss on the head up there, but the factory did not drill and tap that boss. It should be okay with that bottom support I think.

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Post #13 by Daves55Courier » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:49 am

I see you are using the little 54/55/56 water pump instead of the 57/58/59 pump which has a backplate and impeller chamber that sticks out the side. You probably would not have been able to mount the PS pump and alternator on that side if the 59 pump was there. So then I guess you drilled out the water bypass hole in the front of the engine block and tapped it for a little pipe plug ?

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Daves55Courier wrote:Oh, I see, now you are using that bottom hole for a stabilizer for the heavy end of the compressor. For a minute there, I was kinda scared that all that weight was cantilevered off those two little coil mounting bolts way back there. And I realize the belt is going to pull toward the engine, but still, it seemed like it needed more support. You know what would be great, is if you could have gotten another bolt there at the front in line with those two coil mounting bolts thru that long steel bar. There is a mounting boss on the head up there, but the factory did not drill and tap that boss. It should be okay with that bottom support I think.


The pictures don't show it but I already drilled and taped a 5/16 hole in the blank boss.

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Daves55Courier wrote:I see you are using the little 54/55/56 water pump instead of the 57/58/59 pump which has a backplate and impeller chamber that sticks out the side. You probably would not have been able to mount the PS pump and alternator on that side if the 59 pump was there. So then I guess you drilled out the water bypass hole in the front of the engine block and tapped it for a little pipe plug ?


The pump is a duplicate of the one that was on the engine. It was looking pretty shabby so decided to replace it now rather than later. The motor isn't original to the 59 Ranchero and I've not been able to figure out what year it is. Valve cover gasket was for a 61 > 64 and it fit and my parts guy has been really patient about helping me get the right parts.
I'm not following your question about drilling out the water bypass and plugging it. The water pump has 3 bolt holes, a water passage hole and an impeller that sticks out into the engine block.
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Post #16 by bubba22349 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:01 pm

If you can post the Head and Blocks casting / design numbers and the date code I can help you narrow down the years of your engines parts. Good luck :nod:
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Post #17 by garrilla » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:59 pm

bubba22349 wrote:If you can post the Head and Blocks casting / design numbers and the date code I can help you narrow down the years of your engines parts. Good luck :nod:


Thanks for the offer! The only numbers I've seen so far are on the block drivers side lower right. Is that the area to look?

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Post #18 by bubba22349 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:14 pm

Yes these numbers and letters will look something like this starting about late 1958 or. 1959 Ford changed their Design numbering system going with with a B then C in the next year change these are fallowed by a number as an in below example for an Ford engine block decode. Prior to 1959 the letters could look like the his EBP as an example of a 1954 223 Block.

B9AE-6015-AA decodes as
B = 1950
9 = year so = 1959
A = the Car line the part was designed for = in this case a full size Ford car
E = the Ford Engineering Department so this was for the Engine line
6015 = Fords generic number that denotes an Engine Block
AA= denotes that the part was redesigned, improved, revised
Because it came out of a Ford car from the late 1950's and is an inline six it's a 223 engine.

The head number decodes the same with the exception that the number is (5090) is Fords generic number for a head and might be original to that short block. To know for sure you will need to find the Casting date codes for both the block and the head. It's looks like a small tag with a screw head on each end it will have a number a letter and another one or two numbers. With that code you can determine the exact day Ford cast up each part in the foundry.

With engine swaps though sometimes you may also need to use the part that fits the year of the car model's chassis rather than the engine unless you also mod the chassis to fit and work with the newer parts. In the case of the 223 engines there is great interchangeability over its years of use. So if you can post some pictures some of the other parts your using can maybe help you ID them too. I suggest that you also make a binder type note book with years and part numbers of all your parts as you ID to refer too. This can save you lots of time when chasing parts. Good luck :nod:
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I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #19 by garrilla » Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:31 pm

bubba22349 wrote:If you can post the Head and Blocks casting / design numbers and the date code I can help you narrow down the years of your engines parts. Good luck :nod:


I've got some pics of the numbers on my engine. First pic is the only numbers I could find on the head and they were under the valve cover. Second pick are the numbers that are on the block drivers side lower right. Third pic is of a tag on drivers side low and left. The other pics are of the engine different views.
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Post #20 by bubba22349 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:49 pm

The first one is easy decodes as the head being cast at the Ford foundry on January 17, 1963 and making it near the end of production of the 223's. I can't make out the numbers and such in the second picture, the other block numbers probally are up under the exhaust manafold or in the indents along the oil pan rails. The third picture is of an aftermarket engine rebuilders tag can't help much with that, but it should give you the details of sizes of the internal rotating assembly. Depending on the code that company used the cranks Rods & Mains "A " may mean that they are .010 / .010 under size, can't read all the numbers on the bore size looks like 3.80? Good luck :nod:
A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #21 by garrilla » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:04 pm

bubba22349 wrote:The first one is easy decodes as the head being cast at the Ford foundry on January 17, 1963 and making it near the end of production of the 223's. I can't make out the numbers and such in the second picture, the other block numbers probally are up under the exhaust manafold or in the indents along the oil pan rails. The third picture is of an aftermarket engine rebuilders tag can't help much with that, but it should give you the details of sizes of the internal rotating assembly. Depending on the code that company used the cranks Rods & Mains "A " may mean that they are .010 / .010 under size, can't read all the numbers on the bore size looks like 3.80? Good luck :nod:


Thanks for your input! Does the 4th pic give any clues? When I was searching for a water pump and water neck outlet and gaskets I had several options for a 223.

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Post #22 by bubba22349 » Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:52 pm

:hmmm: sorry for being late to reply the water outlet gasket for a 1963 to 64 should be right to fit your head. For the water pump get one for a 1959 Ford car or Ranchero and it should be correct. How are you doing on your build? Good luck :nod:
A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #23 by garrilla » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:56 pm

I've neglected to post an update. I've been done since June and everything is working out great! I just need to change the manual steering box to my power unit this coming winter. I've not had any issues with belts slipping or being out of alignment

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Post #24 by bubba22349 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:08 am

:beer: congrats that excellent news! :thumbup: :nod:
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I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #25 by garrilla » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:20 am

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Post #26 by bubba22349 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:36 pm

:beer: wow garrilla that's some very nice workmanship and detailing. Did you do the pin stripping too? Thank you for the updates to your post. :thumbup: :nod:
A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #27 by garrilla » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:30 pm

bubba22349 wrote::beer: wow garrilla that's some very nice workmanship and detailing. Did you do the pin stripping too? Thank you for the updates to your post. :thumbup: :nod:

Thank you! Pin striping was done by a friend. I'm going to paint the manifolds this winter. Do I have to get year specific gaskets or are all 223's the same?

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Post #28 by bubba22349 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:27 pm

Most of the 223 gaskets are the same as far as manifolds, head, oil pan, timing cover, etc. the exception though is that there are two different valve cover gaskets used. Early models used two mounting studs with a large rubber donut and washer in centerline top of valve cover as the hold downs, the later models used about 8 small bolts and hold down flanges around the valve covers edge, like yours. So in your case since your head is a 1963 if you needed a valve cover or the complete top end gasket set (valve grind set) then get one for the late model 223 about 1963 up. Some gasket sets though may have all the possible gaskets combinations used in a rebuild set. Good luck :nod:
A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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