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HEI delco for 223? Can it be done?

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HEI delco for 223? Can it be done?

Post #1 by 240SIX » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:30 pm

Hi, i am used to 240/300 engine but i read the distributor will work into a 1964 223, has anyone ever used one of the aftermarket Delco HEI with intergrated coil on top? I am a ford man but it is hard to beat delco alternators and distributors! Plus it looks so clean without all the extra boxes and wires run all over the place... ford alt and dizzy wiring is a total rat nest even new.

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Re: HEI delco for 223? Can it be done?

Post #2 by bubba22349 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:42 pm

The 240 / 300 Distribitors can fit in any 223 if you adapt the oil pump drive or change to the 1964 oil pump that has a 5/16 inch hex shaft and use the 223 drive gear. I haven't seen or heard of anyone using an HEI Distribitor in a 223 yet, but if it's a copy that's made for use in a 300 then it probally can fit with the drive gear changed to the 223 gear, the advance cruve isn't going to be right and will need some attention. :nod: Edited
Even a bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

Current project is a 1988 John Deere 420 Garden Tractor I need a few small parts to get it fixed, plus some cosmetic items, maybe a few attachments, if you happen to have or know of JD 420 parts would welcome the help!

My Ex-Inline 6 Fleet 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Re: HEI delco for 223? Can it be done?

Post #3 by 240SIX » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:46 pm

bubba22349 wrote:I haven't seen or heard of anyone using an HEI in a 223 yet, but if it's a copy made for use in a 300 then it probally can fit with the drive gear changed to the 223 gear. :nod:


That's what i was kinda hoping for... my new to me '64 F100 would really like it!

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Re: HEI delco for 223? Can it be done?

Post #4 by 240SIX » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:28 pm

"the advance cruve isn't going to be right and will need some attention. :nod: Edited"

Bubba, i have encountered that even with the 240's and 300's... sometimes i cannot adjust the vac advance less enough and i will at that point leave it disconected... not correct but works with just the mechanical advance okay, there again not right but temporarly halfass and better than the stock wornout dizzy that i cannot seem to find the correct rotor for.

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Post #5 by bubba22349 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:02 pm

Yes getting the advance systems working right can take some time and work but the effort will be worth it when acomlished. Shouldn't be all that hard to get the stock 223 rotor, looks like this one right? https://www.carid.com/1964-ford-f-100-i ... 21626.html

Standard still makes them also and I have been using the best in my OPIN NAPA Echlin ones for years.

One other thing on those aftermarket HEI distributor copies they have a shaft oiling problem, they need to be taken apart and moded to fix them, the directions to do it are located on this site. Best of luck. :nod: :thumbup:
Even a bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

Current project is a 1988 John Deere 420 Garden Tractor I need a few small parts to get it fixed, plus some cosmetic items, maybe a few attachments, if you happen to have or know of JD 420 parts would welcome the help!

My Ex-Inline 6 Fleet 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Re: HEI delco for 223? Can it be done?

Post #6 by 240SIX » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:35 pm

Wowwie!! I just spent the last hour? Maybe? I went in the shop and robbed one of my "hotrod" 240's dizzy i bought and all i had to change was the gear! No drilling or milling or cutting etc. the roll pin was in the correct place everything! Reused the stock 223 pencil shaft (5/16") and it droped right in with a little fudge per usual ford to engage the pump. Piece of cake! Now the tidbit stuff comes into play...

In regaurds to the 223 rotor, yes it looks like the one in the link BUT... the D shaft is way too large and it rotates on the shaft a good 1/8 turn either way before catching the shaft... no bueno.

Totally stoked... wish i knew how to post a pic without having a turd site to hose-t it. Will update after i buy some modern wires to match the gm cap... its holiday time and the lonestar red is flowing, time to walk away from the ford. Thanks guys!

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Post #7 by 240SIX » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:38 pm

bubba22349 wrote:Yes getting the advance systems working right can take some time and work but the effort will be worth it when acomlished. Shouldn't be all that hard to get the stock 223 rotor, looks like this one right? https://www.carid.com/1964-ford-f-100-i ... 21626.html

Standard still makes them also and I have been using the best in my OPIN NAPA Echlin ones for years.

One other thing on those aftermarket HEI distributor copies they have a shaft oiling problem, they need to be taken apart and moded to fix them, the directions to do it are located on this site. Best of luck. :nod: :thumbup:


The rotor i have is echlin.

Oiling problem? Oh dear... hope its ok, ive used these in the 240's and 300's with great success... cheap and simple. Hope it is the same for the 223

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Re: HEI delco for 223? Can it be done?

Post #8 by 240SIX » Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:06 pm

bubba22349 wrote:One other thing on those aftermarket HEI distributor copies they have a shaft oiling problem, they need to be taken apart and moded to fix them, the directions to do it are located on this site. Best of luck. :nod: :thumbup:


Is it because the original 223 distributor used a external oiler? I know it has a flip cap like my 1930's west bend lathe to oil it periodcly... does it not get any since that is not there? Thanks for any education i would recieve!

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Post #9 by bubba22349 » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:30 am

:beer: Good job yes the 1964 223 is going to be the easiest one to do the 240 / 300 distribitor swap except for changing the drive gear it's a drop in. All the other years of 223's can also use the big six distributors you just need to eigther change to the 1964 oil pump or make an adapter from the current oil pump drive to the distributors 5/16 hex drive.

I may of gave you some bad info on the HEI shaft oiling problems this is a problem on the units made for the small block Ford six'es (170, 200, & 250's not getting oil to the lower shaft bushing and they would Seaze up, sorry about that. At this time I don't know of any problems yet on the 240 / 300 made units and of course your HEI when used in a 223, but the stock big six Ford Distribitors seem to work fine in a 223 so chances are if there is enough oiling at the drive gear and bottom of the shaft then the HEI could work fine also. As far as the top oiler this dose help keep the upper shaft bushing lubed and extending its life span a good idea however on the newer models this was discontinued.

I think I rember talking about that 223 NAPA rotor being too loose a while back, the problem isn't in having the wrong rotor its because there is a spring type clip that is missing that is suppose to slip on the end of the Distributor shaft. Without that clip then the rotors made for those distributors doesn't fit on the shaft properly or be as snug as its suppose to, these clips are also still available new or maybe it was still stuck in the old rotor when you took it off? Best of luck :thumbup: :nod:
Even a bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

Current project is a 1988 John Deere 420 Garden Tractor I need a few small parts to get it fixed, plus some cosmetic items, maybe a few attachments, if you happen to have or know of JD 420 parts would welcome the help!

My Ex-Inline 6 Fleet 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Re: HEI delco for 223? Can it be done?

Post #10 by 240SIX » Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:25 am

bubba22349 wrote::beer: Good job yes the 1964 223 is going to be the easiest one to do the 240 / 300 distribitor swap except for changing the drive gear it's a drop in. All the other years of 223's can also use the big six distributors you just need to eigther change to the 1964 oil pump or make an adapter from the current oil pump drive to the distributors 5/16 hex drive.

I may of gave you some bad info on the HEI shaft oiling problems this is a problem on the units made for the small block Ford six'es (170, 200, & 250's not getting oil to the lower shaft bushing and they would Seaze up, sorry about that. At this time I don't know of any problems yet on the 240 / 300 made units and of course your HEI when used in a 223, but the stock big six Ford Distribitors seem to work fine in a 223 so chances are if there is enough oiling at the drive gear and bottom of the shaft then the HEI could work fine also. As far as the top oiler this dose help keep the upper shaft bushing lubed and extending its life span a good idea however on the newer models this was discontinued.

I think I rember talking about that 223 NAPA rotor being too loose a while back, the problem isn't in having the wrong rotor its because there is a spring type clip that is missing that is suppose to slip on the end of the Distributor shaft. Without that clip then the rotors made for those distributors doesn't fit on the shaft properly or be as snug as its suppose to, these clips are also still available new or maybe it was still stuck in the old rotor when you took it off? Best of luck :thumbup: :nod:


Outstanding! That clip must be missing in action someplace. Thank you very much!

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Post #11 by bubba22349 » Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:14 pm

Your welcome, in the first link shows what the clip looks like and for those that may have this same problem. The part was also used on the 1949 to 1953 Flathead V8's too it's a real easy fix. https://cgfordparts.com/ufolder/fordpar ... =0BA-12213

And in the second link shows a picture of a 223 distributor were you can see how the clip is installed. Best of luck :thumbup: :beer:
https://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_merc ... 7/image/0/
Even a bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

Current project is a 1988 John Deere 420 Garden Tractor I need a few small parts to get it fixed, plus some cosmetic items, maybe a few attachments, if you happen to have or know of JD 420 parts would welcome the help!

My Ex-Inline 6 Fleet 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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