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affordable Fuel injection

Post #1 by matt1967 » Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:20 pm

just found out about this company http://www.affordable-fuel-injection.com/ford-kit.htm they list a kit for the 300 Cu I6 but I'm guessing they could custom do a kit for the small 6 lineup.

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Post #2 by Linc's 200 » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:35 am

That's all GM parts: Sensors, TB, harness and computer.

some guy on ebay sells exact copies of that kit for $300. Not very tunable, though.

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Post #3 by matt1967 » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:44 pm

I just emailed them about using there TBI kit for my 200 I6 that will be turbocharged/ fuel injection if I can afford it. they emailed me back, that there all built to your engine size/ cam specs and such so they could do a kit for a 200 with no problem, and for the turbo they would add an external piggy back system to control the timing and fueling, is this going to be enough tunability for turbocharging?

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Post #4 by Linc's 200 » Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:43 am

matt1967 wrote:is this going to be enough tunability for turbocharging?


If it is just speed density and you can't change the values yourself with a laptop....

....then I highly, highly, highly doubt it.

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Post #5 by matt1967 » Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:25 am

Linc's 200 wrote:
matt1967 wrote:is this going to be enough tunability for turbocharging?


If it is just speed density and you can't change the values yourself with a laptop....

....then I highly, highly, highly doubt it.
they said that I would be able to change fuelling and timing, but that's all they said

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Post #6 by Linc's 200 » Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:21 pm

matt1967 wrote: they said that I would be able to change fuelling and timing, but that's all they said


.....but by how much, and where in the RPM range?

Good quality fuel injection systems run off of a lot of tables of data and logarhythms to determine how much fuel and spark is needed. You can see what is happening when the laptop is plugged in.

A system that is too simple won't have enough adjustability and isn't worth the couple of bucks you save over a system that is known to work.

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Post #7 by matt1967 » Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:20 pm

Linc's 200 wrote:
matt1967 wrote: they said that I would be able to change fuelling and timing, but that's all they said


.....but by how much, and where in the RPM range?

Good quality fuel injection systems run off of a lot of tables of data and logarhythms to determine how much fuel and spark is needed. You can see what is happening when the laptop is plugged in.

A system that is too simple won't have enough adjustability and isn't worth the couple of bucks you save over a system that is known to work.


what system should I be looking for? a FAST controller . the guy just seemed to throw that out there, like he wasn't shure about the systems compatibility with forced induction They sell that piggy back box extra and have the product details on it, in there site, I'll check to see what it's capabilities are. I know it was a very quick reply. I sent the Email at 10:30 PM and when I checked my Email at 6:30 the next morning, I had the reply.

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Post #8 by 300 6 JEEP » Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:15 am

why not go with the gm throttle body and the megasquirt 2 computer?
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Post #9 by Bruzer66 » Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:47 am

It really seems like megasquirt is the way to go. It is the most tuneable system I have seen yet and it doesn't require an electrical engineering degree to operate. and you can order bulk wiring and make your own harness or order up a pre soldered one. I'm currently working on hooking one of these up to my '66 stang. The problem I am havin is that I'm not using a GM TB. my IAC runs on 2 wires instead of 4... time to change it out!

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Post #10 by 300 6 JEEP » Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:55 am

I'm making one for my jeep. so far I have $18.00 cdn into and that is for the GM TB and the sending unit and fuel pump :twisted: Going to order all of the stuff for the the megasquirt this week sometime
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NP435 with Granny low

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Dana 44's Front and Rear Locked

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Post #11 by XFlow_Fairlane » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:35 pm

I am going to be using a MS on my setup so far...

35# injectors $75
welding rod $20

all I have in it right now. I am planning on just harvesting some wiring/plugs from the JY for this motor. later on I will prob break down and do a new harness once I get things sorted out and mounted.

I have a TB off a 3.8L buick and 36-1 wheel and coil packs off a tarus.
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Post #12 by matt1967 » Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:05 pm

probably a good idea. how do you order tho? I can't find an ordering option on the MS site.

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Post #13 by XFlow_Fairlane » Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:53 pm

they don't accually sell them through the site anymore (they used to do group buys only)

http://www.glensgarage.com/catalog/?gcl ... WAodACo2GQ

is a good place for MS stuff. if you know someone that can assemble it not a bad deal (my buddy is an electrical tech and is running one on his 305 tpi)

the nice thing about using JY wiring is that you can keep GM color coding and save $$$ bigtime on connectors and bulk wire.

a neat thing a couple 2.3L guys have done is gut a factory ECU and build their MS inside that so it plugs into a factory harness.
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Post #14 by matt1967 » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:37 pm

the price is right, guess that's what I'm gonna do. I'v never done any of this kind of electrical work but my dad has, he can probably help me thru it.

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Post #15 by 300 6 JEEP » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:40 pm

The kit from glenns garage has a box already done for the ms2. and to put hem together shouldn't be to bad. I assume that the diagrams are really easy to follow, but if you are unsure of the soldering it is only about 80 (I think) more to buy it assembled and tested! they do recommend getting a relay controller it helps protect the computer. I think worth the extra 60 bucks!
"CLANK" It is alright she WILL hold together!

300 with some goodies:) Soon to be FI

NP435 with Granny low

Dana 300 T-case

Dana 44's Front and Rear Locked

and loves to beat up V8's

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Post #16 by matt1967 » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:49 pm

300 6 JEEP wrote:The kit from glenns garage has a box already done for the ms2. and to put hem together shouldn't be to bad. I assume that the diagrams are really easy to follow, but if you are unsure of the soldering it is only about 80 (I think) more to buy it assembled and tested! they do recommend getting a relay controller it helps protect the computer. I think worth the extra 60 bucks!
that's still cheap. I'm gonna get it assembled and with a relay controller. compleatly worth it considering the cheap piggy back brain box Affordable wanted to sell me was $379. just checked it's $400 for MS2 3.0 assembled. 150 for the assembly, still not bad and still worth it.

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Post #17 by 300 6 JEEP » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:00 pm

nice i'm going to oder mine this week un-assemble and build it over the next couple of months :D I have done this since college 8) I just like the fact that you can do it all yourself! and it is totally programable and you cam do it yourself. I have some friends with mustage that take their chips to speed shops to have the re-programed and it cost them 250-400 bucks to get it done :shock:
"CLANK" It is alright she WILL hold together!

300 with some goodies:) Soon to be FI

NP435 with Granny low

Dana 300 T-case

Dana 44's Front and Rear Locked

and loves to beat up V8's

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Post #19 by matt1967 » Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:19 pm

I just got back from Affordable Fuel injection. the SMT6 is a perfect power part. I looked it up and it has adjustability in all the nessasary points for turbocharging, but being a piggy back system, it has to give the ECU false readings and trick it, to get what is needed. MSII seems much better. Does a TBI use injectors in the head/ intake log, or are the injectors in the throttle bodie? I'm planning on using a Tempo/ Escort Throttle body. would I need a return fuel line, and if so could I route it to a T just b4 the fuel pump?

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Post #20 by 300 6 JEEP » Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:25 pm

tbi has the injectors in the throttle body right at the top
"CLANK" It is alright she WILL hold together!

300 with some goodies:) Soon to be FI

NP435 with Granny low

Dana 300 T-case

Dana 44's Front and Rear Locked

and loves to beat up V8's

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Post #21 by matt1967 » Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:26 pm

300 6 JEEP wrote:tbi has the injectors in the throttle body right at the top
thanks.

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Post #22 by matt1967 » Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:45 pm

Besides the MSII box, a TBI and an O2 sensor, what all do I need?

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Post #23 by 300 6 JEEP » Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:04 pm

fuel pump (external or internal) supply line and a return to the tank. thermal sending units for the engine. what ever tbi you are going to use find out what preassure it needs. the gm tbi only uses 14psi.
"CLANK" It is alright she WILL hold together!

300 with some goodies:) Soon to be FI

NP435 with Granny low

Dana 300 T-case

Dana 44's Front and Rear Locked

and loves to beat up V8's

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Post #24 by Linc's 200 » Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:20 am

300 6 JEEP wrote:the gm tbi only uses 14psi.


I think ford is around that, too.

Nice thing is the fuel injectors are all made the same no matter what, so if you need to run 50 psi to move enough fuel you can.

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Post #25 by matt1967 » Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:21 am

gonna see what we got in the line of throttle bodies at my autoshop class, we got a few. everythings labeled as to what it came off of and we have shop key so finding fuel press should be no problem

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Post #26 by Linc's 200 » Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:48 pm

The 80's Ford 3.8 V6 TB's are the same bolt pattern as the Ford 2 bbl carb!

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Post #27 by matt1967 » Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:07 pm

Linc's 200 wrote:The 80's Ford 3.8 V6 TB's are the same bolt pattern as the Ford 2 bbl carb!
gonna look for 1 of them then. what car's were they used in, so when I call the junkyard?

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Post #28 by XFlow_Fairlane » Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:13 pm

the 5.0 and 5.8 ones are the same design also (different injectors)
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Post #29 by matt1967 » Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:23 am

I downloaded Mega tune 2.25 and installed it on my computer to get a look and feel on how the interface is set up. a few things I don't understand but the main things, injector pulse width, stuff like that I understand. the other stuff I can research.

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Post #30 by matt1967 » Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:32 am

also, do I need to run a boost refrenced fuel preassure regulator with the EFI? and for a return line, can I tee it back into the main line b4 the pump, with a check valve just b4 the tee?

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Post #31 by Linc's 200 » Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:19 am

matt1967 wrote:and for a return line, can I tee it back into the main line b4 the pump


No.....it has to free flow back into the tank itself.

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Post #32 by XFlow_Fairlane » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:16 am

you have to run a referenced regulator anyway for EFI. that goes to manifold vacuum.
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Post #33 by matt1967 » Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:44 pm

OK, that seems dooable. there is a filler neck adaptor that Summit sells, you cut out 2/3/4" of your fuel filler rubber line and replace it with the adaptor, has a hose barb in it for EFI return.

The Falcon is going under the light monday. I bring it into my Autoshop class then. altho the teacher dosn't know about the turbo, I'm going to put it in the trunk. he does know about the EFI plans tho.

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Post #34 by 69Falcon » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:44 am

If you're going to turbo it with the EFI, then yes you should use a boost reference FPR.
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Post #35 by Linc's 200 » Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:17 am

69Falcon wrote:If you're going to turbo it with the EFI, then yes you should use a boost reference FPR.


The stock 2.3 turbo guya use the stock EFI fuel regulator.

Most all EFI fuel pressure regulators have a vacuum nipple on them,
they work fine under boost.

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Post #36 by matt1967 » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:22 pm

I'll look for 1 in the junkyard, if I can't find 1 then I'll get a new 1 out of summit or Jegs, there not real expensive. $100 or so depending on brand.

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