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AutoX project

Post #1 by Mustang Boy » Thu May 06, 2010 8:19 pm

well as some of you guys from way back when might remember i had a 66 mustang with a 200 in it that got totaled. well i kept the car all this time and currently have the money to do something with the motor. well my plans are to get an SN95(94-98) mustang, preferably convertible because my mom wants to drive it around before i tear it apart, and drop the 200 in it after i rebuild it again with MANY parts from ClassicInlines.

so far i have a list in my head of everything i want/need for the motor rebuild and the parts im going to need for the swap.

so far my list is this.
engine:
Forged .030 over dished pistons
shot peened rods
stock crank
Aluminum race prepped head
ITB Intake(once it comes out)
custom ground cam
custom turbo header
T3/T4 header
Y-pipe after the header to dual side exit exhaust with shotgun style mufflers
ARP Bolts, studs, etc. for the engine
DUI distributor for EFI engines

drivetrain:
already have a T5 from a fox that was used in the 66 and is still in there.
cable clutch conversion to the 2.77 3spd bellhousing
have the driveshaft either lengthened of shortened
IRS from a 99-04 Cobra
4.30 gears(already have and will be going into my 94 for a short time)
Tubular K-member for a 5.0(from what i hear it can be easily modified for a 200)
custom transcrossmember

Suspension:
i dont know alot about suspension so i will have to do alot more research on which brands are the best for handling but this is an idea
Tubular control arms up front
better bushings for the IRS out back
Coil-overs all the way around

wheels and tires:
17x9 and 17x10.5 Chrome Cobra R wheels
i know the tires i want but cant remember the brand but i know where to find the info just have to do alot of searching through old threads on another site

Appearance:
Cobra front bumper
Cobra R hood
Roush side skirts for side exhaust(with the corresponding tips)
Steeda wing with carbonfiber winglets
DARK blue with black stripes paint job(reminiscent of the 64.5-66 shelby because this is how i wanted to paint my 66)
smoked headlights and taillights


so what do you guys think?

as of right now all i have is the 200 and the T5 lol. still shopping for a 94-98 vert project car that is cheap but in the meantime i plan to start acquiring the parts for the motor build


and yes i know im missing a few things here and there in my lists but my brain is tired and has forgotten my entire list right now
Justin

66 Mustang(TOTALED)

mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Re: AutoX project

Post #2 by Anlushac11 » Fri May 07, 2010 1:08 am

Mustang Boy wrote:well as some of you guys from way back when might remember i had a 66 mustang with a 200 in it that got totaled. well i kept the car all this time and currently have the money to do something with the motor. well my plans are to get an SN95(94-98) mustang, preferably convertible because my mom wants to drive it around before i tear it apart, and drop the 200 in it after i rebuild it again with MANY parts from ClassicInlines.

so far i have a list in my head of everything i want/need for the motor rebuild and the parts im going to need for the swap.

so far my list is this.
engine:
Forged .030 over dished pistons
shot peened rods
stock crank
Aluminum race prepped head
ITB Intake(once it comes out)
custom ground cam
custom turbo header
T3/T4 header
Y-pipe after the header to dual side exit exhaust with shotgun style mufflers
ARP Bolts, studs, etc. for the engine
DUI distributor for EFI engines


BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING...Sit down and read the rules, have a bite and a drink, then reread the rules til you almost have it memorized and then go to forums like http://sccaforums.com/default.aspx and ask questions.

What mods you do will put you in different classes. Depending on the mods you might accidently wind up running against BMW's, Porche's, and Vette's.

Also most SCCA groups have weekend events to run Autocross. Here in Indianapolis I think its twice a month Sunday morning in the parking lot of the old Bush Stadium at 16th and Stadium drive.

My car was being setup to run a local event called Winged Warriors but its not going to make this year because I got laid off. Winged Warriors follows American Iron rules for the most part. I could still run SCCA but class may change.

drivetrain:
already have a T5 from a fox that was used in the 66 and is still in there.
cable clutch conversion to the 2.77 3spd bellhousing
have the driveshaft either lengthened of shortened
IRS from a 99-04 Cobra
4.30 gears(already have and will be going into my 94 for a short time)
Tubular K-member for a 5.0(from what i hear it can be easily modified for a 200)
custom transcrossmember


What is your intended max rpm? If you run a hydraulic cam and anti pump up lifters your still looking max around 6000rpm. You can go solid lifters to go higher rpm but I am wary of the factory connecting rods, you would need to run some aftermarket forged rods to go 7000-7500rpm. When I priced them it was going to run about $1200 for a set.

I would try some 3.73 or 3.90 gears first. IMHO with 4.30's your going to accelerate like a rocket out of the corner but rowing the gears alot more from building rpm rapidly. I would find something that lets you accelerate quickly but leave it in 2nd most of the time. I was going to run 3.73 gears in mine but had to trade my gears and 5 lug axles for a SN95 3.27 rear when mine was inspected and was bad.

Suspension:
i dont know alot about suspension so i will have to do alot more research on which brands are the best for handling but this is an idea
Tubular control arms up front
better bushings for the IRS out back
Coil-overs all the way around


For suspension parts for a SN95 cornering machine IMHO its going to be Maximum Motorsports or Steeda. Griggs makes good stuff but IMHO its overpriced. I think Maximum Motorsports prices are very good to high but reasonable depending on the part. Steeda has good stuff and good prices but MM parts have the better reputation.

As for tubular control arms again check what the class rules are.

Same with coil overs, see what class rules are but I too want to run coilovers, they make a lot of difference on a Fox or SN95 Mustang.

Late model GT bars would be good for front and rear. That would give you 1.18" bar front and .95" bar rear. SN95 cars have bigger bars and softer springs. Cobra bar is slightly bigger but have been known to snap in the middle.

The IRS rear is very nice if you can get one cheap. Otherwise your looking at $1600 for one from someplace like MPS auto parts. For less than that you can install a Panhard bar and Torque arm setup that will still give you slot car like handling for less money.

wheels and tires:
17x9 and 17x10.5 Chrome Cobra R wheels
i know the tires i want but cant remember the brand but i know where to find the info just have to do alot of searching through old threads on another site


IMHO I would just go 17x10 on all four corners. I know on the Foxes some of the guys are running P275/40-17's on all four corners. I think you can run that or larger on the SN95.

I have not seen any mention of a important part of Autocross...brakes. A good upgrade if you get 94-98 is to get the 99-04 PBR 4 piston caliper upgrade for the front. http://www.mpsautosalvage.com/sunshop/i ... tail&p=670

Appearance:
Cobra front bumper
Cobra R hood
Roush side skirts for side exhaust(with the corresponding tips)
Steeda wing with carbonfiber winglets
DARK blue with black stripes paint job(reminiscent of the 64.5-66 shelby because this is how i wanted to paint my 66)
smoked headlights and taillights


Sounds like it will be pretty killer.

so what do you guys think?

as of right now all i have is the 200 and the T5 lol. still shopping for a 94-98 vert project car that is cheap but in the meantime i plan to start acquiring the parts for the motor build


and yes i know im missing a few things here and there in my lists but my brain is tired and has forgotten my entire list right now


Convertible will be a nice cruiser but it will be heavy and flexible.

Again you can ad sub frame rails and stiffeners but check what the class rules are.

I was going to do my Auto-X build on my 89 Mustang convertible but decided weight and flexible were my mortal enemies. I now have a different car that I am setting up and will be using the convertible for a fun daily driver.
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Re: AutoX project

Post #3 by AxeSeth6 » Fri May 07, 2010 8:23 am

I ran my 94 bent 8 back when it was new in stock class and was thinking of starting up again in my 02 neon. Very nice post didnt think I would see anything about it on this site though :D .
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Post #4 by Mustang Boy » Fri May 07, 2010 11:20 am

thanks for all the detailed info anlushac. i have read a good bit of the 300 page rule book online one day but got tired of reading it lol. i remember reading somewhere in it a few years ago where it had all cars classed and a list of parts that raised your class and by how much but i couldnt find that info in the new rule book and alot of it didnt make sense to me so ill have to go back and read it again

also about the brakes i have looked at some aftermarket brakes for my 94 for future mods like the wilwood 6 piston big brake kit which would be an incredible upgrade lol. that coupled with the stock cobra brakes on the IRS would make a pretty good braking car but i dont think i will need that much brake for the car so your 4 piston link might be a really good option

i have also thought about going with 17x10.5 all the way around and i know it can be done with a tubular k-member and a few other mods i just didnt know if i would need that much tire up front and i had decided on the 17x9 before i knew i could modify a tubular k-member for a 5.0 to fit.

and Axe you will see so many surprising posts on this site its not even funny. us inline6 guys do some crazy things with our motors which gets us flamed on other mustangforums like i have been a little after making this same thread on a mustangforum
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66 Mustang(TOTALED)

mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Re: AutoX project

Post #5 by Anlushac11 » Fri May 07, 2010 12:47 pm

Mustang Boy wrote:thanks for all the detailed info anlushac. i have read a good bit of the 300 page rule book online one day but got tired of reading it lol. i remember reading somewhere in it a few years ago where it had all cars classed and a list of parts that raised your class and by how much but i couldnt find that info in the new rule book and alot of it didnt make sense to me so ill have to go back and read it again


IIRC when I looked at building my Mustang for SCCA it seems like Subframe connectors are now legal, and any engine was legal as long as it was offered as original equipment in that model car. Tire size was limited to a maximum width but diamater was free.

also about the brakes i have looked at some aftermarket brakes for my 94 for future mods like the wilwood 6 piston big brake kit which would be an incredible upgrade lol. that coupled with the stock cobra brakes on the IRS would make a pretty good braking car but i dont think i will need that much brake for the car so your 4 piston link might be a really good option


With a SN95 another good and IMHO not too expensive brake option is the SN95 13" Cobra front brake kit, about $600 from MPS. You literally remove your old front calipers, remove old rotors, slide on new rotors, and bolt on new Cobra calipers for 13" rotor.

My Fox body Mustang now has a 96 Mustang GT 8.8 traction lock rear and is in process of getting 96 Mustang A-arms and SN95 front spindles. I fully intend to run the PBR 4 piston calipers on mine. A SN95 will be heavier than my Fox so even though I think the 4 piston calipers

i have also thought about going with 17x10.5 all the way around and i know it can be done with a tubular k-member and a few other mods i just didnt know if i would need that much tire up front and i had decided on the 17x9 before i knew i could modify a tubular k-member for a 5.0 to fit.


Have you conisdered going to 18" wheels and tires? I was at a swap meet several months ago and someoone was selling 18" 5 lug wheels that looked like Bullet clones with pretty good tires for $400. I didnt have money or I would have jumped on it.

and Axe you will see so many surprising posts on this site its not even funny. us inline6 guys do some crazy things with our motors which gets us flamed on other mustangforums like i have been a little after making this same thread on a mustangforum


Sounds like the "What are ya crazy? put a V8 in it" crowd was out in force.

Back when i had my 1980 hatchback Mustang with a 200/C4 and 14" Centerline clones I got exhaust put on it and got downpipe to glasspack muffler then split to dual tailpipes. It sounded very good and everyone assumed I had a V8 in it. I always got some pleasure out of the blank look when I said it was a inline six. And then came the 5 minute argument about how all Mustangs should be V8's only. My answer was I have done the Mustang with a very built up and powerful V8 route. I have also done multiple 2.3L turbo Mustangs (God those things handle beautifully), and now I am doing the inline six route.

Because I can and because its different.

I have actually considered doing what you want to do and was even looking at SN95's back in February when I can upon a Fox body Mustang I really wanted.

IMHO what would work really well would be basically a SN95 Mustang GT with brake upgrade and lowering springs and as much weight stripped out as possible. The SN95 will weigh more but its also considerably stiffer.
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Post #6 by Mustang Boy » Fri May 07, 2010 1:33 pm

yes i believe subframe connectors are allowed and they will be going on. thats one thing i forgot from the list.

yea the cobra front brake upgrade might be a good choice. ill have to look into all my options when the time comes and i know how well it is braking with the stock components then ill know how much more brake i need.

i have thought about using an 18x11(buying an 18x10 and haveing it widened 1in) in the back and a 17x10.5 up front but i havnt fully decided yet.

and i know exactly what you mean with that stupid blank stare. i used to get it all the time with my 66. i would pull in somewhere and it had a decent lope to it and dual header with flowmasters and turndowns so it sounded great and people would come up and say thats a nice sounding 302 and i would say no and they would rattle off 351? nope, 289? nope and id say 200 inline 6 and they would TELL ME that it wasnt and id lift the hood and they would have this dumbfounded look that something so small sounded so amazing. the guys i hung out with at my weekly mustang meet loved my car because it was different and sounded great, they all would comment about it whenever anybody would talk about a 6cyl mustang.

also i found a 95 Mustang V6 5spd on craigslist for 700 with a blown clutch that im going to look at tonight and will probably buy which means im one step closer to having my autox car and until then i have a more fuel efficient stang to drive around lol.
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mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Re: AutoX project

Post #7 by Anlushac11 » Fri May 07, 2010 3:40 pm

You will of course be required to provide frequent updates and pictures.

Nothing else will be satisfactory. :nod:
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Post #8 by Mustang Boy » Fri May 07, 2010 5:41 pm

of course theres no way i couldnt update frequently lol.

i am going to look at the car at 7pm and will probably be towing it back shortly after. it has a blown clutch so no driving it back but it turns out the seller is only a few miles away so it wont be that far for me to get towed back. i will of course show pictures of the car once i get it home and update this thread
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66 Mustang(TOTALED)

mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Re: AutoX project

Post #9 by early ford fan » Fri May 07, 2010 6:08 pm

im assuming this is an offroad car only because you will never get it inspected with a straight six in it.

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Post #10 by Mustang Boy » Fri May 07, 2010 6:21 pm

well i dont live in a state that does inspections so i will drive it on the street whenever possible lol.
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mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Post #11 by '68falconohio » Fri May 07, 2010 6:42 pm

Why can't he get it inspected?

Ohio has rules for Kit cars or DIY built cars. If the drivetrain is from a 66 Mustang it will have to pass the emission laws required for a 66 mustang. You must also list what vehicles parts were taken from to build the final product.
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Post #12 by Mustang Boy » Fri May 07, 2010 8:39 pm

'68falconohio wrote:Why can't he get it inspected?

Ohio has rules for Kit cars or DIY built cars. If the drivetrain is from a 66 Mustang it will have to pass the emission laws required for a 66 mustang. You must also list what vehicles parts were taken from to build the final product.


some states have similar requirements but they say that the car has to pass inspection for whichever is newer the drivetrain of the shell.

i just bought a 95 Mustang V6 5spd with a bad throw-out bearing, possible motor mount, misfire, and a few more minor things but she was only $680 and before i talk anymore here are the pics

http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w345 ... autox1.jpg
http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w345 ... autox2.jpg

and that is my 94 in the background of the second pic

and i dont know how to resize pics so click the links
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66 Mustang(TOTALED)

mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Post #13 by bubba22349 » Fri May 07, 2010 9:49 pm

Looks very nice an at a good price. Way to go!
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I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #14 by Mustang Boy » Sat May 08, 2010 1:13 am

thanks, it needs some work but nothing i cant handle and until im ready to do the swap ive got a DD that gets decent gas mileage lol
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66 Mustang(TOTALED)

mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Post #15 by Anlushac11 » Sat May 08, 2010 5:31 am

Looks very nice. Looks like it has polished 16" SN95 Pony wheels too. Price was definitely good.

I would have to pay almost twice that for a car thats damaged here.

Looking forward to seeing the progress.
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Post #16 by Mustang Boy » Sat May 08, 2010 10:46 am

yep it has the polished pony wheels for now. i just wish she had the center caps for them but its all good it doesnt have to look good right now
Justin

66 Mustang(TOTALED)

mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Post #17 by Mustang Boy » Mon May 10, 2010 6:59 pm

i think ive found the first thing im going to save up for this car, after fixing the problems it has of course lol.

http://www.maximummotorsports.com/store ... cts_id=370

or

http://www.maximummotorsports.com/store ... cts_id=375

but i dont know what is the benefit of the off-set geometry front suspension so if there is any insights into the nature of it id be very happy to learn. also ill have to flip a coin to which shock option i want when it comes time to order the package


also the k-member will be modified to fit the I6
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mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Post #18 by Mustang Boy » Mon May 17, 2010 6:58 pm

well small update. i wasnt able to put the clutch in this weekend because my brothers rear end went out in his truck so that took priority since its his DD and the 95 is just a project. i was able to hook up a scanner and read the CEL and found out that the cam sensor was bad and there is no egr flow. well i replaced the cam sensor and the misfire went away but it still has a rough idle which im pretty sure is a vacuum leak and since i have no egr flow im thinking it may be the vacuum line going to the egr valve so ill check that out this weekend. ive also got a lead on a cobra bumper that i can get for pretty cheap as long as the shipping is what he is estimating.
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66 Mustang(TOTALED)

mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Post #19 by Anlushac11 » Sat May 22, 2010 10:19 pm

On a Fox body the revised suspension geometry means the A-arm bolts have been moved up about 1/4" and back about 3/4" to improve suspension geometry. The SN95 revised suspension IIRC is similar modifications but different dimensions.
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Post #20 by Mustang Boy » Sun May 23, 2010 12:54 am

cool ill be getting that one then for the better suspension geometry.

also the bumper sale fell through because the guy selling it didnt inform me that there were others who had asked first and he sold it to one of them but im still on the lookout for a good deal on any of the parts im looking for and i just got new headlights but they will be going on my 94 and the ones off my 94 will go on the 95 because the ones i got look better than the ones on my 94 lol.

i tried to swap the clutch today but i realised i didnt have the right sockets to pull the driveshaft so tomorrow i have to go get a 12point 12mm swivel socket so i can pull the driveshave to get the tranny out. i did fix the misfire though it turned out to be a bad cam sensor and i bought a new headlight switch yesterday which from looking at the wiring diagrams it appears to be the most likely cause for the headlights not turning on.
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66 Mustang(TOTALED)

mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Post #21 by Funky Cricket » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:03 pm

have you thought of a more modern I6 for the more modern car. like the turbo I6 from an OZ falcon?

Not that our 200's aren't sweet motors when they are all done up, but those aussie turbo 6's scream. might cost more to get one imported and fit into a US chassis and deal with steering and brake boosters and what not.
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Post #22 by Mustang Boy » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:05 pm

yea i would love to have an OZ I6 but the money it would cost me to import one and custom do everything would be way too much imo.
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mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Re: AutoX project

Post #23 by rommaster2 » Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:00 am

IDk if you actually price it out vs building the 200 it costs about the same i'd imagine since either one will require fabrication to get everything to fit. Better yet can't the v6's in those be built up?? I don't know for sure cause i've never looked into it but it seems like alot of work to pull the motor out just to get to where the old motor was with way more money involved. I mean i know we're all about building sixes (trust me everyone at work gives me crap for mine) but it just seems like you could do a wicked junkyard turbo build on the v6 cheaper and with just as good if not better results *shrug*.

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Re: AutoX project

Post #24 by Anlushac11 » Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:56 pm

I think Mustang Boy would be in the same boat with a V6.

IIRC the Mustang 3.8L V6 is called the Essex V6 and it is notorious for blowing head gaskets and he would still have problem of sourcing parts for a V6 turbo build.

Saleen and some others sold supercharged V6's but they were never popular. Supercharger kits exist to bump power but again reliability on that 3.8L with a supercharger without a performance rebuild would be a timebomb.

If Mustang Boy can rebuild a 200 inline six with a CI aluminum head the sky's the limit on performance.

The only real advantage is he would not have to build custome motor mounts to drop the car in.

A Fox L6 K -member would bolt up but would not have revised suspension points available and would weigh about 45lbs.
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Re: AutoX project

Post #25 by Mustang Boy » Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:15 pm

yea the fox k-member wont have the revised suspension points that is why ill be going with the tubular one and since im already modifying it a little im gonna modify it to sit the engine as far back as possible which will balance the weight better
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mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Re: AutoX project

Post #26 by Anlushac11 » Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:56 pm

IIRC MM also sells tubular A-arms that move the wheel forward over 1 inch, maybe 1 3/8 inches.

Moving wheel forward should help with brake dive and help with weight distribution. I can only move Fox wheels 1 inch forward.
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Re: AutoX project

Post #27 by Mustang Boy » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:11 pm

iirc wont control arms from an SN95 swap onto a fox body?

also the front suspension kit im looking at includes the control arms that move the wheel 1.5" forward
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66 Mustang(TOTALED)

mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Re: AutoX project

Post #28 by Anlushac11 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:07 am

Mustang Boy wrote:iirc wont control arms from an SN95 swap onto a fox body?

also the front suspension kit im looking at includes the control arms that move the wheel 1.5" forward


Absolutely.

Which is why I have a set of 96 Mustang A-arms which are getting Poly bushings and with the early Fox narrow K-member it gives me same effect as the SVO suspension.

I also have 96 Mustang spindles which for $500 can be upgraded to Cobra 13" front rotors and calipers. :D

94-95 can use same caliper but you have to grind away some of the side of the spindle casting where the caliper sits for clearance.
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Re: AutoX project

Post #29 by Mustang Boy » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:55 pm

good to know as i will probably be upgrading to cobra brakes all around to start with.

i am also looking into converting to manual brakes because im not sure where i would hook into the intake for vacuum for the booster and ive got a pretty strong leg lol

im also going to have to find a way to mount the stock powersteering pump to the 200 and find a V-belt pulley that will fit onto it that way i can keep the power steering
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66 Mustang(TOTALED)

mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Re: AutoX project

Post #30 by Anlushac11 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:25 pm

I don't know if its true but someone told me all the Ford power steering pumps use the same bolt pattern so you might see if a SN95 power steering pump will bolt up to the 200 L6 power steering bracket.

I will be switching to a SN95 GT rack and pinion. The SN95 racks have better road feel and are all higher effort. Needs a steering shaft adapter from MM to put SN95 rack in a Fox (More $$$). SN95 has triangular steering shaft on rack and Fox is square.

MM also sells the manual brake adapter but you should be able to pull vacuum from any place before the turbocharger inlet.
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Re: AutoX project

Post #31 by Mustang Boy » Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:46 pm

yea i noticed their manual brake conversions thats what got me thinking. i guess ill try the vacuum booster for awhile and if i dont like it ill convert to manual or maybe ill get a powersteering pump and master cylinder from a 4.6l mustang and convert to hydroboost brakes. also if the powersteering thing is true that would be awesome and all id have to do would be find a powersteering braket for a 200 and modify it to work with that big ol DUI distributor and ill be set after finding a V-belt pulley that fits it which also shouldnt be too incredibly hard. ill just go through advances computer at their store(it pays to be a former employee lol) and find a ford powersteering pump that uses a V-belt and get a pulley for it and slap it on to the powersteering pump that is stock on the 95, although the powersteering pump is mounted pretty low on the V6 so the lines may not fit with the pump up where the bracket for the 200 will put it. i guess i could source a couple lines from an early fox i bet they would work
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66 Mustang(TOTALED)

mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Re: AutoX project

Post #32 by Mustang Boy » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:19 pm

well 2 weekends ago i pulled the tranny so i could do the clutch and found this when i got the transmission out from under the car

http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w345 ... r/TOB1.jpg

i spread the pieces out so you could see them better, when i first got the tranny out only the very front part was crooked and it came right off with little effort then i started pulling on the other pieces and they came out too.

http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w345 ... r/TOB2.jpg

here is all of the pieces on the ground. most of the bearings were long gone but there were still a couple laying in the grease from the TO bearing in the bottom of the bellhousing.
Justin

66 Mustang(TOTALED)

mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Re: AutoX project

Post #33 by Anlushac11 » Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:06 pm

Yeaaahhh I think that throw out bearing has seen better days.
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Re: AutoX project

Post #34 by Mustang Boy » Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:59 pm

yea this weekend the tranny goes back in because i didnt have time to finish it 2 weekends ago before i went up to GA for the 4th. then ive got new plugs and wires for it, new headlight switch, and new headlights that will be going on it then i have to get the $300 to get a tag for it then ill have a DD with decent gas mileage for a change lol
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66 Mustang(TOTALED)

mods: mid range cam, oversized valves, 1.6 ratio roller rockers, dual roller timing chain, holley 2brl, WC T-5

94 Mustang GT(Cobra clone)

5.0 stock with O/R H-pipe and SLP LM1 catback. 14.582 @ 92mph. future mods: Long Tube headers

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Re: AutoX project

Post #35 by MPGmustang » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:10 pm

I guess you can throw out that bearing... lol

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Re: AutoX project

Post #36 by Anlushac11 » Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:00 pm

MPGmustang wrote:I guess you can throw out that bearing... lol


:lol:

Ya just had to go there didnt ya? lol
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