170 out,cross-flow in

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Hello everyone:This is my first post. I have a 170 in my 62 Comet and would like to replace it with a crossflow. Question, are the motor mounts the same on these two? Also, is the bell housing bolt pattern on the cross-flow the same as a U.S. 200? I'm looking forward for my car to be able to get out of it's own way :wink: I plan to use a SROD behind it but I understand there is a concern about it's gearing. Any one out ther care to share their opinions or experiences? Thanks in advance!
 
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The cross flow has nearly the same width at the sump as the 170, and it has three bolts per side, rather than two. It can take the stock 170 mounts without a problem, or, if you wish, you can change to the three bolt 'centre pecusion' mounts used in 1969 onwards Falcons, Mavericks, and Mustangs etc.

The bellhousing is more difficult. The pattern is a non American four bolt arrangement designed for 9 to 9.5" clutch plates. The best option is to just get the early Australian 1970-74 Toploader bellhousing, clutch, and 160 tooth flywheel, with its three bolt starter. That way you can have a T5, Toploader 4-speed or perhaps, an would then SROD fit in there.

If you get stuck, there is the option of converting to a V8 bellhousing using an adaptor plate. I am doing one for a friend in Texas, but I've been very late with the deliverables. There is a 'sticky' under the driveline section which I'm updating.

Your best option is the 3.3 or 4.1 carby alloy head crossflow. It is very economical, and weighes 470 pounds according to the Ford Australia shop manual. It's heavier than the 365 pound 170, but the cast iron headed 4.1 weighes 525 pounds.

The Oz Alloy Head II 3.3 is smoother, and has 121 hp and 177 lb-ft. The 4.1 rates in at 131 hp, and 225 lb-ft. The compression ratios are quite high, but all he valve seats are inserted, and the heads are very good castings. The years are form mid 1980 to mid 1993 (with the last five years having the engine relagated to the Falcon utility range). Carburation is ADM Weber 34, which is a modern Pinto Weber Holley 2-bbl. The Holley 2300 350 CFM carb can be used with a penalty in fuel economy. In US mpg, the 3000 pound vehicles would average 27 as an 3250 pound auto 4.1 to 33 mpg as a 2900 pound 5-speed manual 3.3. It's possible to get well over 35 US mpg with the 3.3 in a blunt faced 80's Falcon.

As far as Ford I6's in general go, they are very reliable. The worst that can happen are headgasket, main seal, cam gear, cam or rocker stud maladies if the engine has been really thrashed. Nothing different to a log head or any other OHV engine.
 
why not go an early 250 with a 2v head?thay had 170 hp stock and would suit your old car down to the ground?you can even bolt the 250 2v head to the early motors,id put the head on your motor and go from there.it will give a realy good increase in hp with min work.(the 2v heads fit our pre x-flow engines,i guess the will fit all yours to,but maybe some else can say thios 4 sure) :D
 
I can tell you what I did. The proof of how it will run is still yet to be seen as I am still working on it. I'm putting a 4.1 x-flow in a '71 Comet. The ring gear on the x-flow flywheel was pretty rough so I mounted the flywheel off of my 250 on it. Besides I was wanting to use my existing torque converter and it would not mount on the Aussie flywheel. The US flywheel measured the same on the diameter so I tried the swap. Everything bolted up and it looks good. (I'm using a C4 by the way). My obsticle now is on the starter. I have a two bolt starter and the Aussie motor is wanting a three bolt starter. So now I'm wandering if three bolt starters were ever used here in the US and on what motors or cars. Now assuming all this works it was simply a matter of bolting everything together. :oops: Now sweating it hoping someone doesn't tell me it won't work. I'm not seeing anything that will give me problems though. Can someone now share the scoup on the starters?
Dave
 
I had an 89 E350 cube van with a 351 and I think it had a 3 bolt starter but otherwise looked real close to my 200 starter.
 
Dave,
In this country, the two bolt starter motor will bolt up and work correctly in the three bolt bell housing.
Noel
 
i have only ever used 2 bolts in all my starters,250 pre x-flow,250 2v,200 xflow iron and alloy and 250 x-flow iron and alloy.i have 3 different motors here in 3 cars and all have 2 bolts.starter motors from our 4.0 litre ohc 6cyls fit the earily 4.1 too(i think they changed them with the au,i know el fit).good luck
 
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