200 build begins!

heres a post i allways put up when the question of quench(squish) comes up :

not saying you need 10:1 and 32 thou quench - but getting correct quench

X2 yes for sure! This step of a performance build up is so very important and worth the effort to get it right!

my understanding -as never used them - is copper gaskets will give you sealing problems - and weeps for a road car.
. your mileage may vary - but guess there is good reason why they are not used universaly in the auto industry

Mostly in the past we only used the copper head gaskets in race cars which get torn down for maintenance frequently, I only offered it as another possible way, as with the above post my first chose would be to cut the deck to achieve the correct quench for use with a composition head gasket like a Fel-Pro PermaTorque, second choice would be the stock Ford steel gasket. I use the copper coat spray sealer on any metal gaskets to help them seal
 
The place I found say they can make gaskets out of copper or aluminium.

What are your opinions on aluminium head gaskets?

Lee
 
:hmmm: I have not used an Aluminum head gasket. Though have used alum gaskets for other purposes like an intake with good results.
 
So I got a reply and they sent me a pic http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/mercu ... 2.jpg.html that I edited so you guys could read it easier. Said they could make it any bore size also..

the felpro gasket has a bore size of 3.81", is that what I should go with?

It looks correct to me, u guys know the measurements and if its right?, i imagine it is, just giving an update

Anyone have experience with aluminum head gaskets?

Thanks,
Lee
 
If anyone has any input on the head gasket id really like to hear it

Couple things I wanted to pass by you guys in regards to what im planning/thinking about,

should I go with the stock replacement valves (Intake: 1.649"/Exhaust: 1.380") what I planned on, would installing larger valves intake and exhaust be worth it

Just doing too much thinking :hmmm:

I plan on getting the weber 32/36 conversion done, viton valve seals, single 302 valve springs, dont think im forgetting anything.

Let me know what you guys think

Lee
 
Hey guys, would like to share my plans for the head, nothing too special or over the top, would like to hear what you think

i was planning on getting the orig head all cleaned up with the 32/36 Weber conversion, new valves and the 302 springs from CI.

Lemme know your guys opinions on this.

Lee
 
My personal opinion is when you are looking for more performance then anytime you have a chance to improve breathing on a cylinder head you should do it. That being said, regarding the valves you could go with 1.75 intake and 1.5 exhaust. I'm sure others will chime in. Good luck with the build!
 
Installing larger valves is often a good way the enhance a cylinder heads breathing. But, unless you also enlarge the bowl area along with installing larger valves, you really aren't going to gain much in the way of better flow or performance unless you do both.
 
The choice is yours, but a lot of the engines you come across will have non Ford blueprint components, and the odds are, a compression ratio much lower than stock. So returning the parts to what FoMoCo intended for the 60's is a good scheme for a start. Late modle stuff does fit, but if it results in a compression ratio drop as it 9 times out of 10 does, its not a good option. The gaskets you get, the replacement pistons, the huge size of the late modle heads combustion chamber are odds against your favour, and to correct them, you need to know how to go about making those negatives positives.David and Dennis Schjeldahl from the Falcon Six Handbook are probably the ones who have covered it off best. They tell you what works best for the effort and engineering worth, and to fly in the face of the Falcon handbook is to court calamity.

I'd personally go higher compression, but keep the stock valve sizes, and get very good valve guides, springs, cam duration and lift and ignition set up. And follow the Ford Falcon Performance handbook on stock mods with this smaller valve size. Back cuts and the brothers suggested mods are the best options on a dollars per dollar basis.

CNC Dude is right, to gain air flow, you loose compression ratio becasue you have to enlarge the chamber to cope with 1.75 and 1.5's. 42 to 52 cc with an early log head and small valves makes almost as good flow as the later large log heads do with 58 to 62 cc and bigger valves, and you have compression up half to a full point with ease. I uses different rules for finding out how much hp you gain from compression ratio increses. In my book, a 15% gain in compression is half as much in gain in power if the engine is tuned not to detonate and wasn't before the compression ratio rise. The air flow gain from a later bathtub large log head is about 10 cfm at 400 thou lift at 25 inches of water, but if in getting that you loose 15% compression, you'd loose 6% of power by lower compression, or 7 hp at what should be 120, then the air flow gain and compression loss come close to cancelling each other out. In terms of math, each cfm improvment is worth 1.66 hp, so 10 cfm is worth 16.6 hp extra. Compression ratios are interesting, in that increases are potentially very great or poor, depending on how well in line the carburation and ignition is,

but if you go to 9:1 on the Falcon 6 handbook website,



then you''ll get the gross hp rating Ford used in the pre 1972 days, 120 hp. The old stock 1967 compression ratios were not as high as Ford stated, so any old 200 Mustang six could be anywhere, as bad as 7.7:1 with a thick composite 45 thou gasket and large 62 cc head, or as high as 10.4:1 with an early cylinder head which has been planed a few times to 42 cc, and still has a 22 to 25 thou thick factory steel shim gasket, and thats 102 gross hp verses 138 gross hp. Between the 35% difference in compression ratio is a 35% difference in horsepower by the calculator, with 120 hp at 9:1, close to the factory rating for the non California 67 Mustang.

I'd take the bare minimum off the head surface, then ream out the main carb hole from its punny 1.3" to a more flowing 1.75", and just plan to make your car run on low octane unleaded with about 9:1 compression. The chamber with a shallow composite or stock thin steel gasket will be close to ideal.
 
So would taking my Carter YF 1bbl and making it fit to this head would also work well? :hmmm:

I never thought of that but if you guys believe that would work well with what ive got then thats cool.

I plan to keep stock valves and get my hands on a .020 or .021 aluminum head gasket, with 52cc chambers I would get around 9.2:1
 
Stock FoMoCo gasket from 1978 onwards is the ideal, often found new old stock.

The Aussies tended to ream out the log head, and that gave better results. Sage advice is that its pointless putting extra fuel through a small hole, but when its a engines intake valve, and you don't have a raging cam and six carbs, then reworking latter model stuff is good
 
Lee,

Which cylinder head are you using. I must have missed what you are using. Can you take some pictures of the intake manifold and the chambers? Maybe a date code?

On the aluminum cylinder head gasket it looks like it says 3.600. That seems small to me. Why not ask if somebody has a new NOS shim gasket they would be willing to sell rather than mess around with something untried?
 
I put up pics when I can, its a 65 head,

so you think just fitting my carter carb would work well whenn I am to keep the stock valves?
 
CNC-Dude":1fbbldxw said:
Installing larger valves is often a good way the enhance a cylinder heads breathing. But, unless you also enlarge the bowl area along with installing larger valves, you really aren't going to gain much in the way of better flow or performance unless you do both.
Good point and I should have mentioned that... :wink:
 
merccomet":rt0kzo9n said:
I put up pics when I can, its a 65 head,

so you think just fitting my carter carb would work well when I am to keep the stock valves?

Yes. My 1963 head works just fine under a 1946 Holley from an 1981 Ford.

What YF you got?

The Carter YF first saw use on California emissions 170 and 200ci sixes in 1967. In '68-'69, only 170 and 240ci sixes got the Carter YF.

YFs came in 150, 187, 193,195 and 200-cfm sizes.
YFs came in 150 cfm 170 CID 1970 Maverick
YFs came in 187cfm in 1970 200 cid Mavericks
YFs came in 193, or 200 cfm, 195 cfm in 1975 -1979 L-code 250'S
1970-1973 250 Carter RBS L-code Only one size-215 cfm-was produced


Last ones are the ones to target at car yards, but most will do fine on a six. Shy away from the 150cfm version
 
xctasy":32xexh8s said:
Stock FoMoCo gasket from 1978 onwards is the ideal, often found new old stock.

The Aussies tended to ream out the log head, and that gave better results. Sage advice is that its pointless putting extra fuel through a small hole, but when its a engines intake valve, and you don't have a raging cam and six carbs, then reworking latter model stuff is good

Just to make sure I understand does this mean to ream the log to create more volume?
 
xctasy":3vds2mwu said:
Yes. My 1963 head works just fine under a 1946 Holley from an 1981 Ford.

What YF you got?

The Carter YF first saw use on California emissions 170 and 200ci sixes in 1967. In '68-'69, only 170 and 240ci sixes got the Carter YF.

YFs came in 150, 187, 193,195 and 200-cfm sizes.
YFs came in 150 cfm 170 CID 1970 Maverick
YFs came in 187cfm in 1970 200 cid Mavericks
YFs came in 193, or 200 cfm, 195 cfm in 1975 -1979 L-code 250'S
1970-1973 250 Carter RBS L-code Only one size-215 cfm-was produced


Last ones are the ones to target at car yards, but most will do fine on a six. Shy away from the 150cfm version

Its from 71 maverick 200, so 187 cfm?

Ive got another question about the weber 32/36 conversion, i would like to go with this setup being a progressive carb which I like, but my 65 head appers to have a smaller "log", will that adapter/plate be even able to be mounted on it?

Thanks, Lee
 
Almost forgot, as to the head gasket, as drag-200stang mentioned earlier, trying something untried, and how aluminum expands/contracts muc more than steel or cast.

I am able to get a 0.025" cold rolled steel head gasket made up. Is this more ideal than aluminum?

Lee
 
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