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I ve looked around at the post and i know this may seem not possible to most but i am going to build a 400+ hp 200 I6 forged even if every piece has to be custom made money will be steady a procharger? plus a small shot of that silly stuff? aluminum alloy head? fueal injection? i also wanted to know if anyone here has had success with the clifford fuel injection unit,says 60-80% increase in power? hmm.. i believe this is possible even if it blows the first time i wouldnt mind as long as i have the 400+ im starting with a 66 ford mustang 200 i6 3 speed...9" ? 6 speed? mustang II front end? baer disks all around? 2 year project max whats the largest wheel i can place on this body style without touching the fenders? leave feedback......or your opinion but never your car keys around me
 
im starting with a 66 ford mustang 200 i6 3 speed...9" ? 6 speed? mustang II front end? baer disks all around? 2 year project max whats the largest wheel i can place on this body style without touching the fenders? leave feedback......or your opinion but never your car keys around me

A. You can fit anything that car show 66's with 4.6 or 5.4's and Mustang II front ends can fit. Big dollars! The T5 or T45 or 3550 Tremec can be made to fit with a drag-200-stang style block plate and a custom flywheel. There's no limit to what you can do. Plenty of benchmarks here to study!

I ve looked around at the post and i know this may seem not possible to most but i am going

to build a 400+ hp 200 I6

A. See drag-200-stangs machine, and does 10's Falcon

forged pistons

Yep, custom Prcesion Rebulders in Australia make forged ones out of Ross forgings, and they have low decks so you could fit 5.2" Lima 2.3 rods in the 200. In Argentina, forged pistons are made, and so are specials for the Lima 2.3 in Mustangs/T-birds/Merkurs. They exist. The stock forged pistons can be had, but con-rods tend to bend at the 400 hp mark. It's better to go custom 2.3 rods and low deck pistons. the piston must be 0.5" thinner, and a thick copper gasket with o-rings added.

procharger?

A. waste of time. Never produces low end power. It's okay for V8's that rev, like LS1'S, Z06's and they exist becasue they are easy to fit, and don't poke out the hood. Use turbo's or copy the Eaton M90 or M112 swap in a recent beam axled blue 66 shown on this forum.


a plus a small shot of that silly stuff?
Yes a 120 hp port fed set-up, or a progressive combo using the 2-bbl undercarb set up at 75 hp, and an extra 50 hp evenly over the log will work wounders.

There is over welming evidence that peak power goes up approx 1.47 times with safety if you do it right.

If you've got a modified Mustang Geezer style log 200, you'll get over 165 hp.

Add 12 psi boost, you'll get 270 to 280 hp.

With nitrous, it'll go up to 400 hp with ease.

aluminum alloy head?


A. No, not until one is available with a kit to fit it. Cross flow alloy heads and 2V, ME or SP argie heads are around, but don't do anything unless its proven. The 2v set-up Mustangroo has set up will be asure thing. He uses a postive displacement Paxton supercharger, which will give up to 1.5 times the power of a 200 engine with 2v carb. This is 40 to 45 hp up on a stock 200 log to begine with.


fuel injection?

Yes, it is being worked on. Meantime, just use a big single direct mount 500 cfm carb, and don't go overboard on compression or boost, and it should be okay.

i also wanted to know if anyone here has had success with the clifford fuel injection unit,says 60-80% increase in power?

A. No uncharitable thoughts here. When people are selling, they make claims like that. Most of the power boost is in the 264 or 272 cam, and its only been used on early Jeeps, not Chevies or Fords. In Cliffords defence, the Jeep system does have the power gain from stock they claim, but it's misleading to say its just the EFI. This is a classic case of saying your 66 Mustang was a SCCA winner becasue a GT350 Shelbies won all 1966 event's. It's not untrue, just streaching things h-u-g-e-l-y. Until you can get one from a supplier as a Ford 200 kit with a guarentee, forget it.


hmm.. i believe this is possible even if it blows the first time i wouldnt mind as long as i have the 400+

A. Good home builder designs there ideal house, then cost it, scales down the ambition to a level where they think they can do it without Chapter 22's, and then they go on to make every post a winner. The only people who blow engines are people who:-

a) push it too hard :evil: ( :twisted: not a moratal sin here, we love to try an break these things! :twisted: )

b) don't listen to experience and build engines with plenty of dollars but no sense

c) can't afford to do it properly (that's lots of us here. 8) Not a problem, just that it wastes the little money we have, and then we have to ditch it or do it again! This is very common here, but we just suck it up and have another go :wink: )

Yes, its possible. drag-200-stang,Does10s have done it, but you need discipline, some cash, and a build list that isn't too ambitious. Then you'll make it. It won't be cheaper than a 347 stroker '66 with a big 750 Holley and T5, but it'll make you money becasue everyone will want to do what you have done! Success breads success!
 
You could have more dyno success, and more fun with a Aussie six (crossflow or OHC) turbocharged in there.
 
thanx for the help im definatley gonna keep the six i hear clifford is working on an aluminum alloy head not sure when it will be out or at all but one more ? what about stroke? how much can i punch this motor out to? ive seen 206 ci? bigger?
 
Clifford has been talking about that aluminum head for quite a while now
you could go with the Argie head, or the Oz 2V head and probably get as much power from those as the clifford head, and you won't have to wait at least another year
 
bleed_fordblue":34ukl0lx said:
thanx for the help im definatley gonna keep the six i hear clifford is working on an aluminum alloy head not sure when it will be out or at all but one more ? what about stroke? how much can i punch this motor out to? ive seen 206 ci? bigger?

Mines punched to a 206 and runs fine! They make .080 over pistons for the 200 but I've never heard of anyone using them. Lots of people have different opinions about boring oversize :D

Dont hold your breath for the clifford head or your face will match the color of your blood :wink:

Mike at FSPP has forged pistons and 1966 to the early 70's had forged rods....make sure to balance the rotating assy and install 289-302 ARP rod bolts, main studs and head studs....Mike stocks all of those also!

Later,

Doug
 
whichever head comes up first i definately want to be on that list thanx for the advise 206 sounds good what year 2.3 tempo pistons do i use i remember someone mentioning that are they flat top ? and since the procharger is out of the ? is twin turbo possible ? i want to double the horsepower when i place any power adder on and i want the motor at a solid 250 hp is that reasonable? also want nitrous would it be ideal at the strip to spray a 75 shot ? these wonderful beasts are lightweight 2500 lbs or so....?! is a streetable daily driven 10 second car possible ? 2 years $500 dollars for the car per week good budget ? or should i take the v8 route ? really want to dig into this before i spend a dime i love fords and this 66 must be a LS1 killer.....viper territory ? imagine that from a 39 year old ford I6
 
If you are going to go turbo then you should use the lower compression forged pistons. the flat tops are going to give you too high a compression ratio. i think that when people are looking to boost their engines the run about 8:1 CR or so maybe lower. do a search for turbo threads - it's pretty good reading. a twin turbo would be cool, I don't think anybody has done that.

If you are looking for serious power maybe you should go V8, there is no replacement for displacement and i don't think our little inlines are going to put out enough power to take on the LS1's and LS6's and still be streetable. those puppies are pushing 400 - 500 hp's

i bet for similar dough you could punch out a 302 add that procharger or twin trubo and be running 500 + ponies

most of us are sticking with the six because we want to be a little different however the dark side beckons constantly. I found this site originally looking to swap my 6 for an 8 and i still think about it but it would be a monster 8 maybe a 428 or something with forced air and such but then it is just another V8.

what ever you decide good luck

John
 
Get a motorcycle, stock right off the showroom floor. The highest power to weight ratio around. Approximately 175 hp, 400lbs, 200mph, $10,000!
 
and since the procharger is out of the ? is twin turbo possible ? i want to double the horsepower when i place any power adder on and i want the motor at a solid 250 hp is that reasonable?

Twin turbos are most definately possible! But the header fabrication would be difficult. And when two turbos are used then you basically double the cost of the project.
I did see some pretty cool small turbos at SEMA that used their own oil supply (reservoir) that would work great! But I'm sure they were around $1K each!
250hp is very possible with a turbo. We're making somewhere around 312hp in my wife's '63 Falcon. And it's perfectly streetable.
Later,
Will
 
thanx alot does10's i now have hope for a fast inline 6 from ford i would love the twin turbo setup money shouldnt be too hard to come by i plan on a $12,000-$15,000 engine build within 2 years sound reasonable? and like the rest i want to be different and i cant wait to see the look on their faces when i show them the ford i6 that owned em also what is the weight difference between a 66 i6 mustang and a new stock ls1 cm. or fb. ? we should be about 6-700 lbs lighter right even with 50 - 100 hp difference i should still lay waste to em right?
 
bleed_fordblue":3u61nli1 said:
what is the weight difference between a 66 i6 mustang and a new stock ls1 cm. or fb. ? we should be about 6-700 lbs lighter right even with 50 - 100 hp difference i should still lay waste to em right?

weight of an I6 '66 mustang should be around 2500 lbs i believe
Mustang_Geezer made a post about it not too long ago
http://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php? ... ght=weight

'02 Camaro should be around 3300 lbs, for convertible add 100 lbs
 
There will be twin turbo manifolds made soon. But meantime, go single turbo, and get it from Will (Does 10s).
 
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