Advice for dropping in engine and trans

[Anonymous]

I am getting ready to install the engine and trans in my '66 mustang. It's a 200 with a C4. The car was a complete basket case when I bought it, but I found all of the parts I need. I just have some questions about how to attack it.
1. What are the torque values for a)motor mount to engine b)motor mount on body c)nut on the motor mount?

2. What loctite should I use on those?

3. I have 2 motor mounts in good condition, but they are from two different aftermarket companies (and look slightly different). Should I use these or the not-as-good ones that are the same?

The eng. and trans are both fresh rebuilds. Should I bolt everything up and drop it in as one? My other idea would be to raise the trans from the bottom and drop the eng. in and then bolt everything up. Remember that this car is completely stripped down, and there is a lot of room to reach in and bolt things up if I need to. Finally, do I need to put any tranny fluid in the torque converter before it goes on, or can I put it on dry and it'll fill when I add the fluid to the trans?

I tried to keep this as coherent as possible. I have trouble writing my questions out. Thanks in advance....

 

[wallaka]

I'd just say tighten them until it's tight, and no loctite is needed. Use lockwashers, though.

 

[Bort62]

1.) Tight, tight, and tight.

2.) The non-existent kind

3.) Use the ones in better condition - providing they fit.

The job will be easier if you slip them in together. Might as well fill the converter while it's out - but it would fill just fine in there - too.

Won't convert much without fluid in it.

 

[Anonymous]

--Won't convert much without fluid in it.--

Yeah, that makes sense. How much goes in? Won't it leak when the trans is tilted going in?

 

[Anonymous]

--Yeah, that makes sense. How much goes in? Won't it leak when the trans is tilted going in?

if you put in 1 or 2 litres, it should be good. dont over fill it or it will leak, jsut enough to get it wet when first firing it up. jsut like prelubing a oil filter,

 

[250mav]

i'd definatly connect the engine and trans together and put them in at the same time, every engine swap ive ever done has been easier that way

good luck

 

[fordconvert]

When I did the motor in my 66 stang I did it with the transmission bolted up. It was a PITA getting it bolted up in the middle of the driveway so I imagine it would have been worse to try and do it under the car. Make sure and remove the cross member bracket from the rear of the transmission, that thing catches all sorts of stuff on the way out. I had a well known transmission shop rebuild my transmission and they told me not to bother putting fluid in the TC before putting it together. I did mine on a lift which is a giant set of ramps but I dont think it was needed for underside clearance. I did have a problem with height. By the time I got the lift high enough to get the legs of the hoist under it I lost almost a foot of height which turned out to be a problem getting the angle on the motor/trans to get it out. I had to let the air out of the tires and force things a bit. I didnt seem to take any pictures of it going back in but it went much easier because I did it outside so there was no height problem. Make sure and get one of those equalizers with a crank on it to change the angle on the way out (this also helps with alignment on the way back in) and dont bolt the chains on at the bottom of the block like I did in the picture. It was alright with the transmission but without it the thing flipped over on me. On the way back in I used one of the extra bell bolts in the back of the block and one of those extra bolts above the oil filter in the front. Seemed to work fine and be stable. Give yourself more slack between the equal bar and the hoist and between the bar and motor. I did it all that close because of my height problem in the garage. That caused many problems.

For those that didnt read the rest of the text this is the wrong way to do it as far as how I have the chains hooked to the motor and equalizer bar. I did it that tight because of my low height problem. I almost didnt make it out like this. Going back in I did it outside with no height problem.

 

[Anonymous]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. That is the exact kind of detail I wanted. Great advice and great pictures-- all of you! I hope to make an attempt at it this week. My engine leveler is a little different than yours, TJ, so I'll have to get a little creative to hook it up. It'll work though. I'll keep you guys updated. Maybe even some pictures soon. Thanks again.