any ideas on Jag 4 pot calipers +discs on XD falcon frontend

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anyone think this would work??????? Jag callipers maybe even discs on an xd falcon.

can it , has it been done???

HOW GOOD WOULD IT BE!!!! itll stop on a dime with that type of braking hardware i realise itll probably require a bigger master.
 
He he he. But wot about the most important part...an XJ6 rear end under the guards to replace the gran papys axe rear end!

The cost of the DBA 300 mm discs and calipers is very cheap, its a known swap. The Jag has quite possibly the best stoppers, but it was due to the package of hi-line pressure hyrdrauilcs, and inboard rear discs that were just MASSIVE. In my opinion, even if you had all the bits, you'd blow a motsa just doing the front.

I'm thinking a solid mounted XJ6 front end would be the idea. Get rid of the nasty tower flex, and poor straight ahead pointing of the stock Falcon set up. Howard Astill did an HT front end swap back in the late 80's, with Rock Solid 3, an XA Falcon.

A stock Jag was a very heavy car. It's hard to see how a car so light for its size could not benefit more from a suspension change than yours.

In some ways, the latest BA Falcon is the XJ-6 of the noughties. An IRS xd with Jag stoppers would be a tribute to one of the best cars around!
 
Would the Jag disc have the same wheel stud pattern?

I would kinda like to graft a Holden front end into the Transit. It would be nicer than the beam axle with kingpins. It already has XY discs with HQ calipers.
 
First off, jag calipers have mounting bolts in one plane, XD have them in two, so forget that.
Thers nothing fundamentally wrong with XD braking system, 4 piston calipers wouldnt improve the situation a great deal. Bigger discs would give more benefit, but bigger wheels would be needed to cover them.
Ive heard that Volvo calipers are easier to fit, but again why go to all the trouble when braded stainless hoses will most likely make the thing stop, with a better pedal feel.
The front end swap to a HOLDEN is not to ne mentioned and the work involved would be immense, and it would be worse than the ford, and to the transit owner it would be too narrow in any event.
No overall id be looking towards whats on the BA premium braking system, but the money would be more than the xd is worth.
Get rear discs for the xd, or, just by an xf with them and PS standard. then sort out the front end with bushes and the like. The biggest problem is the brake reaction struts joints, they compress under brakes and go to negative caster which makes the car unstable.
A7M
 
a7m:-
just by an xf with them and PS standard. then sort out the front end with bushes and the like. The biggest problem is the brake reaction struts joints, they compress under brakes and go to negative caster which makes the car unstable.
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Wow, that's exactly it. I've found nolathane helps with the castor bars, and of course, the XD on had controlled wheel recession with different bushes to the XA-XC Falcons, along with wider front track. It handled worse because there was so much flex in the body structure. Even with 14X8 wheels, it just tramlines more.

A7M, You're right. Fundmental changes, like an HG/HQ swop are just pipe dreams.They mean you have to know more than Ford engineers to sort things out. The premium "Gold" brake package from DBA is a bolt up. Stainless brake hoses are illegal as per ADR rules, so you'll have to put stock (used) ones on each time it gets inspected unless you know how to get through the red tape...(bribery, ales, gin, testing officer?).

Ford brakes are only slightly cheaper, and there are better detailed bolt-ons than Jag stuff these days.
 
Why are braided lines non ADR compliant? Seems to me they'd be a lot less likely to burst, leak, let moisture in, etc.

Speaking from experience though, go the DBA route. I put a pair of DBA slotted fronts and bendix premium pads in an XE S-pack a while ago, it more than halved my braking distance over the stock Ford solution. These brakes didn't fade, no matter how hard I punished them, either. Had them smoking once though :D

If you're looking at hipo braking solutions, I'd also be looking at late model Fords for braking. EL GTs had nice discs and calipers, they'd probably be the easiest to fit up. AU3 TS/TE/TL 50s and BA GTs are good too, but IRS, wheel offsets and track changes would probably put them out of the league..
 
Why are braided lines non ADR compliant? Seems to me they'd be a lot less likely to burst, leak, let moisture in, etc.
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Exactly. Silly isn't it. Go check any regualtory body in Aussie, and they so no!

They don't pass the durablity requirements of the specific ADR. EVEN THOUGH THEY STOP SPONGY BRAKES, TOTAL BRAKE FAILURE, AND ARE USED IN CAMS,AVESCO, EVERYWHERE!!!

Douh!
 
Wow. Must have the ADR stamp on it! Others don't. Hope I don't have to consume my shoelaces again. Got my info from Street Machine!
 
Blind Freddy knew more than the Ford engineers when it came to Transit suspension. It has a beam axle with kingpins and leaf springs. It handles like a bag of sh!t.
I have heard that somebody has done a HQ fronnt end which has been widened on a jig. That would give coils, IFS, and CRS makes a rack and pinion kit to fir HQ front ends.
Anyone got any other ideas for IFS on a Transit?
 
I'm not fundamentally opposed to the HQ swap or similar (have heard of L-300 Mitsu being used similarly), but it would need to be braced and welded nicely. A friend who has driven and parted out many Holdens (it's his business) says that the later ones are similar but more prone to cracking... A braced up late HZ or WB would have RTS. A UC Sunbird would have RTS and R&P... There's a thought.

Swaps like this need a lot of thinking and down time.

Adam.
 
That is a thought, but the rack would need widening to suit the Transit.
I have also noticed that the Bedford CF is IFS. I don't know how they handle though.
Rod Hadfield used Chev C30 IFS in his "FInal Objective" Spitfire engined 55 Chev, so the technology is well and truly out there to modify front ends to fit other vehicles.
 
yes ive seen adr complient braided lines , unlike the racing jobs they have special connectors on each end , thats the difference,. they cost 99$ each or the pair. cant remember, hate to say this but, talk to a knowledgable brake shoppe like race brakes in melb.
 
What about going to your local riceburner import shop adn price up a set of alloy 4pot Skyline (R32), or Mazda RX-7 (SIV/V/VI), Or Mistsi GTO (F15A?) calapiars and use them? New Than the Jag, Alot more around & should be cheeper too. Here in NZ You can buy a used pair for about $120
Skyline/GTO/RX7 all have the same stud pattern as Falcon too So you could use the discs, but alas they all use a floating disc, So some major work would be required (Turn the disc off the Falcon hub & fit the discs over the wheel studs).
 
What about going to your local riceburner import shop adn price up a set of alloy 4pot Skyline (R32), or Mazda RX-7 (SIV/V/VI), Or Mistsi GTO (F15A?) calapiars and use them? New Than the Jag, Alot more around & should be cheeper too. Here in NZ You can buy a used pair for about $120
Skyline/GTO/RX7 all have the same stud pattern as Falcon too So you could use the discs, but alas they all use a floating disc, So some major work would be required (Turn the disc off the Falcon hub & fit the discs over the wheel studs).
XW-XY-XA-XB up to about 10/75 have seperate discs and hubs, held on by the wheel studs. Might be able to adapt something to those hubs.
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XYs have 2 piece discs, but they are not held on by the wheel studs. They are held on by seperate bolts or rivets, I can't remember which.
We have XY discs on the Transit, along with HQ calipers. Bloody good they are too!
 
I've got some XW/XY discs, and the disc is fixed to the hub by the studs. :P XP/XR/XT discs are separately bolted. Been waiting to finish restoring some of them before posting a "fact sheet", but could put pics up sooner if needed.

Cheers, Adam.
 
Hullo guys and gals,
The XR/XT solid discs have an unboltable disc rotor.
The wheel bearing hub is separate.
From XW the ventilated disc rotors are solid, hubs and disc rotor are one part.
The four piston jag calipers probably could be fitted. What about a look at the HQ stub axles. They use the caliper mount on the one plane. Maybe an adaptor or mix and match discs and calipers to get a set to fit.
But with the correct pads and the slotted/drilled rotor these brakes should work as well as any.
In victoria, if the braided hoses are correctly fitted, clear all as original and have a manufacturer stamp or tag/ and or adr compliance information then these hoses can be passed for a roadworthy certificate inspection.
Noel.
 
We got the discs for our conversion off an XY. We originaly got some discs fof an XC, and they were solid, but the Transit conversion needs a rebate machined in the back of the hub if solid discs are used. It uses a sweat fit collar to space the disc out a bit, and a bracket to mount the HQ calipers.
It uses Falcon bearings. The brakes are SO much better with the discs fitted!
 
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