All Small Six Cam Advice (2nd try)

[Falconfree]

Here is my original post-
I am looking for cam advice.
I have a 200 that I am rebuilding to place into a 63 Falcon. It will have a 9.5:1 compression, a large log head that has been modified for a Carter BBD. Headers and a DS2 round out the build. It will be bolted to a 5 speed trans. I am looking for a bit more spunk when I nail the go pedal. I'm not looking for a race motor as I will be driving this quite a bit so good idle and drivability is a must.
Schneider cams recommended their 280H.
My question then- Has anyone else used this cam? What was your experience? Is it doing about what you expected?
If not a Schneider cam, is there another cam that you have experience with?
The whole cam thing has me befuzzeled and any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Terence
In response, I got some questions about my build. Hopefully, this will clear things up.
The block is a 200 ci- E1BE. The head is C9DE that has been modified to take a 2 barrel carb and larger exhaust valves.
So, again, I am looking for advice on what CAM others have had EXPERIENCE with so that perhaps it will help me make my selection.
Thanks in advance, Terence

 

[B RON CO]

Hi, so now you know that a hydraulic cam and lifter set will work. The 280H cam is pretty hot, designed to make power from 2000 RPM and up. That is too much for me. I prefer a power band from off idle. I know some guys like to run high RPMs, so the cam may be a good choice for you. Good luck

 

[Jmustang_65]

Falcontree
See this thread Comment 120. With a 2v head they went with this cam 221/275.

J

Post in thread 'New tri Weber engine build.'

Jan 10, 2025

So, some progress.. slow as she goes.
I got the Schneider cam in the end, got the engine in and sort of done. Now , unfortunately. My wc in the house went, so an other smal glitch in my plan for the car..
Well, i will get ther, soner or later..

• jaan-e

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"Goldie's mustang 200 has an Aussie head with a 2300 2 barrel carb and 10:1 compression.
The Claysmith cam failed so she installed the Howards 280998-10 camshaft which pulls nicely to 6000 rpm.
It was installed with the intake center line at 106 degrees ATDC

275 degrees advertised duration.
221 degrees .050" duration
110 LSA
.470" valve lift with a 1.5 ratio rocker arm."

"Howards 280998-10 camshaft has a 65 degree overlap using the advertised duration
The 110 LSA has a fairly good lope at idle, but the overlap is still allowing very good fuel mileage.
With an automatic transmission and 2500 rpm stall converter, they are getting 23 mpg with mixed driving and 19 to 21 going around 80 mph on the highway and some sporty driving.
If you go to a 108 LSA the idle will be very rough and the fuel mileage will decrease."

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[Falconfree]

Thanks so much for the feedback!! It is really helpful. I agree that the 280H seems to be too hot for my application. The Howard's cam seems more like what I am looking for.

Thanks-

 

[awasson]

I’ve seen your earlier post and since I don’t know the Schneider cam, I just held my tongue but I get it about how befuzzling the camshaft subject is with the 200. There are a lot of cams, so which to choose.

When I built the engine for my 66 Mustang, I spent a fair bit of time agonizing over the camshaft question. My OEM cam and lifters were actually just fine so I could have dropped them back in but like you mentioned, I wanted a bit of a kick in the pants when I hit the go pedal.

I decided to go with Clay Smith 6474 because it seems to be a popular choice and all things considered, their site is pretty informative and helpful in making the choice. I’m glad I didn’t know about the Clay Smith cam noted above (Goldie’s Mustang) that failed because that would add another layer of stress in the deciding factor.

As @Jmustang_65 mentioned 110 LSA is kind of the sweet spot for a nice lopey idle but with enough vacuum and not too rough for a non-race application. The 6474 has a 110 LSA and they recommend that cam for 2v carb setups. I’ve got the HEI ignition, header and a Weber 38/38. Fortunately my cam broke in fine and it’s exactly what I was looking for. I’m using stock springs on a small log head so the valve pressure isn’t extreme and I did opt for Clay Smith lifters as well. It idles well and has plenty of get up and go. I’ve got the 3-speed in mine at the moment but as soon as it warms up around here, the 5-speed is going in. I have all the parts just waiting and I’m just itching to get under the car to swap it in.

Good luck with your choice.

 

[alwill923]

I tried many places and no one had cam blanks for a 200. Please advise where you are going for the cam and do they have blanks. Schneider told me they do not have blanks and no one was making them.
thanks

 

[awasson]

I tried many places and no one had cam blanks for a 200. Please advise where you are going for the cam and do they have blanks. Schneider told me they do not have blanks and no one was making them.
thanks

Clay Smith has blanks and they’ll grind them when you order one. If they don’t have blanks for a certain profile, they will note it on the website: https://claysmithcams.com/ford-200-6-cylinder/
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[Falconfree]

I’ve seen your earlier post and since I don’t know the Schneider cam, I just held my tongue but I get it about how befuzzling the camshaft subject is with the 200. There are a lot of cams, so which to choose.

When I built the engine for my 66 Mustang, I spent a fair bit of time agonizing over the camshaft question. My OEM cam and lifters were actually just fine so I could have dropped them back in but like you mentioned, I wanted a bit of a kick in the pants when I hit the go pedal.

I decided to go with Clay Smith 6474 because it seems to be a popular choice and all things considered, their site is pretty informative and helpful in making the choice. I’m glad I didn’t know about the Clay Smith cam noted above (Goldie’s Mustang) that failed because that would add another layer of stress in the deciding factor.

As @Jmustang_65 mentioned 110 LSA is kind of the sweet spot for a nice lopey idle but with enough vacuum and not too rough for a non-race application. The 6474 has a 110 LSA and they recommend that cam for 2v carb setups. I’ve got the HEI ignition, header and a Weber 38/38. Fortunately my cam broke in fine and it’s exactly what I was looking for. I’m using stock springs on a small log head so the valve pressure isn’t extreme and I did opt for Clay Smith lifters as well. It idles well and has plenty of get up and go. I’ve got the 3-speed in mine at the moment but as soon as it warms up around here, the 5-speed is going in. I have all the parts just waiting and I’m just itching to get under the car to swap it in.

Good luck with your choice.

Thanks for the info on your build. I get a bunch of opinions but actual experience is what I was looking for. T.

 

[wsa111]

I have a DS11 distributor for your build. Bill wsa11 See my posts in small six for sale section of the forum.

 

[awasson]

Thanks for the info on your build. I get a bunch of opinions but actual experience is what I was looking for. T.

As it turns out, this morning was cold and damp but almost sunny on the wet coast so I warmed up the mustang and took a video of it running with my close to perfect tune. I might lean out the idle jets yet. It’s really close. The revs jump when I mash the pedal and it’s got a really bad-ass idle.

Here’s a vid of what it’s like today. Excuse the condensation in the pipe. I have to take it for a good rip to blow it out.


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[pmuller9]

Which cam did you use?

 

[bmbm40]

As it turns out, this morning was cold and damp but almost sunny on the wet coast so I warmed up the mustang and took a video of it running with my close to perfect tune. I might lean out the idle jets yet. It’s really close. The revs jump when I mash the pedal and it’s got a really bad-ass idle.

Here’s a vid of what it’s like today. Excuse the condensation in the pipe. I have to take it for a good rip to blow it out.


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Sounds really good!

 

[awasson]

Which cam did you use?

Sorry. My post was in response to the OP @Falconfree. I’m not sure he’s chosen a camshaft yet. I put in the Clay Smith H-6474-0-B

 

[Falconfree]

Sorry. My post was in response to the OP @Falconfree. I’m not sure he’s chosen a camshaft yet. I put in the Clay Smith H-6474-0-B

Sounds great. What exhaust system did you use? I might crib my whole build off of your Mustang!! (-:

 

[awasson]

Sounds great. What exhaust system did you use? I might crib my whole build off of your Mustang!! (-:

My exhaust is super simple. EBay Header with a 2-1/4” y-pipe right at the collectors from the header, then a straight 2-1/4” pipe into a turbo type muffler and a pipe over the axle to the outlet.