Can I get the timing chain cover on without...

[michael_cini]

dropping oil pan. I can't seem to get it in there. Suggestions?

 

[Bort62]

nope.

 

[michael_cini]

that's what i thought. was hoping to avoid that. thanks.

nope.

 

[Junk-Falcon]

yes ya can ,, just losen the front 3 bolts on the front of the pan on each side ,, theres a cpl things to watch , the oil seal if ya rub it too hard on the crank it will leak ,, n the seam wher the pan, block n cover all meet use sealer there just a little

 

[Bort62]

yes ya can ,, just losen the front 3 bolts on the front of the pan on each side ,, theres a cpl things to watch , the oil seal if ya rub it too hard on the crank it will leak ,, n the seam wher the pan, block n cover all meet use sealer there just a little

That would qualify as dropping the oil pan.

No, you don't have to completely remove it.

 

[michael_cini]

thanks guys. ok, i loosened the front 5 bolts on each side. it is not budging. i'm just hoping to not have to remove the pan. suggestions?

 

[Bort62]

Keep loosening bolts until it does.

 

[grocery getter]

you should loosen all the bolts. not just the first five. it's easier that way and you won't risk bending the oil pan when you pry on it.

 

[Anonymous]

The reason it's not budging is because it is stuck. Carefully insert a putty knife between the pan and block to break the seal.

 

[CoupeBoy]

When me and sharris did this on his '66 Mustang 200, we never losened the oil pan at all. We cut the 'ears' off the big rubber seal that goes around the bottom of the timing cover and IIRC a little 'nip' off the steel cover itself, then stuck a big goop of silicone where the 'ears' should have been, and a light lube of silicone on the rubber seal and stuck it in place. That was almost 4 years ago and everythings been perfectly fine ever since. We thought about the pan but decided against it because we didnt know how to get that pan resealed.

-ron

 

[powerband]

I just put a timing chain/gear set in the 170. The "front cover" gasket (NAPA) set included short gasket pieces for when you cut off the ends of the old full pan gasket. I removed the front cover (it was kinda stuck) changed the timing set and added a little dollop of silly'cone as mentioned and buttoned it up with out disturbing the pan.

Powerband 8)

 

[michael_cini]

thanks for all the help guys. i did have to loosen and drop the pan down a bit on my 250. it wouldn't clear the chain otherwise. i hope that i do not have any leaks in the pan now.

i did not use the silicone, i just put a extra gob of permatex #2 gasket sealer there. do you think this will suffice?

I removed the front cover (it was kinda stuck) changed the timing set and added a little dollop of silly'cone as mentioned and buttoned it up with out disturbing the pan.

Powerband 8)

 

[michael_cini]

thanks for all the help guys. i did have to loosen and drop the pan down a bit on my 250. it wouldn't clear the chain otherwise.

i had the same kit, but did not use the silicone, i just put an extra gob of permatex #2 gasket sealer there. do you think this will suffice?

I just put a timing chain/gear set in the 170. The "front cover" gasket (NAPA) set included short gasket pieces for when you cut off the ends of the old full pan gasket. I removed the front cover (it was kinda stuck) changed the timing set and added a little dollop of silly'cone as mentioned and buttoned it up with out disturbing the pan.

Powerband 8)

 

[wsa111]

Michael, should have used a silicone sealer, hope you don't have any leaks. Permatex gray or lexus & toyota FIPG sealer is the best.
The gray permatex is about $9.00 a tube while the FIPG is closer to $18.00. You only get what you pay for. Keep your fingers crossed. Bill

 

[michael_cini]

thanks bill.

should i pull it off and do it again? do i use the gray permatex on the whole gasket or just one the one spot?

question: what is the permatex #2 best for?

Michael, should have used a silicone sealer, hope you don't have any leaks. Permatex gray or lexus & toyota FIPG sealer is the best.
The gray permatex is about $9.00 a tube while the FIPG is closer to $18.00. You only get what you pay for. Keep your fingers crossed. Bill

 

[powerband]

thanks for all the help guys. i did have to loosen and drop the pan down a bit on my 250. it wouldn't clear the chain otherwise.

i had the same kit, but did not use the silicone, i just put an extra gob of permatex #2 gasket sealer there. do you think this will suffice?

I just put a timing chain/gear set in the 170. The "front cover" gasket (NAPA) set included short gasket pieces for when you cut off the ends of the old full pan gasket. I removed the front cover (it was kinda stuck) changed the timing set and added a little dollop of silly'cone as mentioned and buttoned it up with out disturbing the pan.

Powerband 8)

There is very little sealer needed and is not a high pressure seal area. I would not worry if you trimmed a new front " pan ear" gasket to fit snug to the block / pan joint and added a little sealer.

Powerband

 

[CoupeBoy]

If it's back together and not leaking, I'd leave it alone. Like he said, it's not a high pressure area. If a leak should develope c'mon back we can brainstorm on a solution. Until then happy motoring.

-ron

 

[michael_cini]

thanks guys. it's not all back together yet. the front cover and pan are sealed but i have not taken it off of the jackstands or put any oil in it yet.

If it's back together and not leaking, I'd leave it alone. Like he said, it's not a high pressure area. If a leak should develope c'mon back we can brainstorm on a solution. Until then happy motoring.

-ron

 

[CoupeBoy]

If your car is really stressing you out, you could always sell it to me or Adam You'd never have to worry about that leak again.

-ron

 

[michael_cini]

yeah, i guess i could do that, but then what would i have to complain about! the trouble is that i am a novice at alot of this, and it is frustrating...but i'm learning. the next time i have to do this stuff, it will be fast!

If your car is really stressing you out, you could always sell it to me or Adam You'd never have to worry about that leak again.

-ron