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[Anonymous]

i noticed in linc200's sig that his six cylinder car runs mid 13's with the stock(relatively) head. it seems to me that when mike's new aluminum head hit the market, and if one get put on lincs car, i think that will push the car into the 12's, and that will make an impressive run in anybody's car, let alone a six.

Thnx for the props.....my head IS stock! Turbo isn't though.... 8)

If I had a good launch that run, it would have been a 12.9 run....on a stock head. The new motor should run a 12.9 right out of the box. Head will still be stock. I think Will and Kelly's head is still stock...or not?

 

[Asa]

I think Will and Kelly's head is still stock...or not?

direct 2bbl bolt on at least
not sure what else

 

[inline300]

What would car craft readers think of a ford 4.9/300 conversion?

9.5-10:1 compression, aftermarket intake, 600+/- cfm carb, 1.94/1.6 valves, headers, 268H camshaft and usual port work should get you into the 250-300hp and 350-400tq range. More cam probably wouldn't hurt.

Two forum members have done or own converted mustangs, maybe they could offer some input.

Member names:

fast3006
nckwiencek

The 240/300 section, could offer some advice on the engine build. If anything it would be different.


nckwiencek's 68 mustang w/t 4.9/300 pictures
http://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27410

fast3006's 65 mustang with 4.9/300 pictures
http://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 82d7e214af

 

[Does10s]

Linc's & Asa,
Yes the head is stock, other than the direct mount Holley and I did do some clean up of the ports but that's it.
Later,
Will

 

[Anonymous]

What would car craft readers think of a ford 4.9/300 conversion?

Then others would argue that as long as you are doing the swap, may as well go with a 302

 

[Stubby]

Come on guys read it all. They are doing a write up on Mraley's 300 six.
Unless I read it wrong

This is about their buildup. We have to admit, untill Mike's new head is finished, or unless they decide to turbo it, a 200 just won't do it.

I say accept the coverage we are recieving (which is alot more than ever before) and let Mike finish his head. While the 5.0 crowd is sleaping we are moving forward. I feel it won't be long before the world will be awakened by the rumbling of six bangers, the likes of which they have never seen.

People resist change more than anything else, tho it is the only thing that brings about progress. These same people will line up for something new once their eyes have been opened to it.

 

[jamyers]

Come on guys read it all. They are doing a write up on Mraley's 300 six...

Where do you read that?

 

[Stubby]

About half way up this page. Mike's post. I was wrong it was Mustangs Monthly and I think this another part of Primedia.

I am just saying we should be careful not to offend these guys. I am sure we could sit down with them and give honest opinions and they would appreciate it, but we are typing letters on a page and as we have seen from our own experiences this can be taken the wrong way.

 

[inline300]

What would car craft readers think of a ford 4.9/300 conversion?

Then others would argue that as long as you are doing the swap, may as well go with a 302

Why stop at a 302, how about a 347, better yet get a 351w and do a 408...

As previously stated:

If anything it would be different.

Sorry if I was thinking from the perspective of an inline enthusiast and whats readily available.

We have to admit, untill Mike's new head is finished, or unless they decide to turbo it, a 200 just won't do it.

Exactly, now if ford had only produced a 300ci inline six engine over a few decades, of which is still used to this day....

I am just saying we should be careful not to offend these guys.

Tossing ideas around is part of the creative process.

 

[rbohm]

Exactly, now if ford had only produced a 300ci inline six engine over a few decades, of which is still used to this day....

hmmm, i guess the fact that the 300 came out in the early 70's, and ran through the mid 90's is a short production run?

 

[Asa]

Exactly, now if ford had only produced a 300ci inline six engine over a few decades, of which is still used to this day....

hmmm, i guess the fact that the 300 came out in the early 70's, and ran through the mid 90's is a short production run?

'65 through 96-97 actually...

 

[mraley]

Hey Everyone...I have a 200 not 300 in my Stang. Also, It's Mustangs and Fords, not Mustang Monthly. The article should be out in August or September, we hope!!! Thanks, Michael

 

[strat1960s]

Douglas,

Welcome to our group. Here is a list of the components I have put into my inline 6. In addition to these components, I had the motor rebuilt to include the port and polish and spin balancing. I hope this helps give you a few ideas. I couldn't find the information on it, but I am also running the roller rockers that AZ coujpe sells.



Dual out headers Motor 53-0186 Clifford Performance 1-909-303-2333 $279.00

Weber Carb Kit Motor 08-K-202 Clifford Performance 1-909-303-2333 $499.00

Austrailian Head with Intake

throttle cable Motor 0625TC-1000U36 Jegs 800-345-4545 $32.99

Trans kickdown cable Motor / trans 0625KD-20C4HT Jegs 800-345-4545 $53.99

Gas Pedal Motor 0625BAG-6004 Jegs 800-345-4545 14-Sep-03 $89.99
Gas pedal spacer Motor 0625GPS-6014 Jegs $18.99

Good luck with the build up, I look forward to reading about it.

Ted

 

[Anonymous]

Douglas,

I wanna interject my opinion here. You are right. It is very expensive to make a lot of HP with a I6. Mike's head and the other heads that have come to the market lately significantly help the situation but the reality is still that a 200 I6 won't ever economically make 500 HP. If that is the straight competition then we lose, hands down.

I am not looking for high HP in a six. What I would LOVE to have, but have not arrived at yet, is a car with excellent gas mileage, good but not excellent HP numbers, good reliability and the simplicity that I can fairly easily diagnose and fix anything that breaks. Modern cars have computers and extensive electronic systems that make them difficult to troubleshoot if you are not a trained mechanic.

To this end I would like to see a 60's era Ford getting over 35 mpg with HP greater than stock. I would like it to have naturally aspirated carburetion and mainly bolt-on upgrades. The trick would really be in choosing the upgrades and the tuning of the system. You have a LOT of options available that have made huge improvements from the stock parts. Everything from carb to distributor to head to cam to transmission is available and upgraded from its original 1960's-era incarnation. If you could do this it would be an excellent article. With the current trend in gas prices I think this would be an interesting read for everyone. If you can do it cheaply it would be better, there is a balance between paying money up front for upgrades vs. paying more for fuel down the road. My 66 Falcon fordor I6 is my daily driver and I probably drive 15k miles a year at about 18 mpg in it. If the upgrades would pay off in a couple or five years, AND add reliability I would definitely do it.

What I am saying is that the way I see it you are trying to directly compete with V-8's and that is not what this community is about. Having a I6 is about being different from the crowd that is all solely pursuing HP. A point you made in your posts was that the AMC crowd was the ones who got mad at you for spending to much and not making enough HP. Here you will be held accountable to the I6 crowd who has a different way of looking at things. A lot of us want simple upgrades to improve reliability and mileage. HP is an added bonus but not the main pursuit. If you look at the stickies at the top of this forum you will see 2 dedicated to a Duraspark II upgrade, intended to upgrade power and mileage, and another few talking about the Spark Control Valve, and the Load-o-Matic System. These stickies are there because they are commonly asked questions. There are no stickies about "Add a Turbo for 300 HP" or for "Change your Cam and see the Difference at the Track."

As a final note, I had a subscription to one of your Primedia Mustang magazines and I appreciated the C4 rebuild you did but in the 2 years I had it there was really nothing else for me and I cancelled my subscription. I currently do not subscribe to any car magazines but if someone covered I6 issues with regularity I would definitely get a subscription.

I hope this has been helpful.

-Dan in Jensen Beach

 

[Anonymous]

Austrailian Head with Intake

You left the price off of the most expensive part!

 

[Anonymous]

Douglas,
I have done a big build up on my I6 and it has been pretty expensive to do. I'm still not done with it either . Something I would like to see is what can be done with an inline six car that will make it perform better all around. Something that can be done on a budget and be very fun to drive. I will give you an example of what I mean. When I was shopping for a car to be my daily driver I whittled it down to two choices an SVT Focus or a Neon SRT 4. While the SRT4 was the faster car, the SVT F was by far more fun to drive. So I picked the SVT Focus. I have raced it in the 1/4 mile very often and many SRT 4's have put me to shame. On the street and at the autocross course it has been a different story, the SVT F was by far superior. While big HP numbers can mean great time slips at the drag strip, it does not mean you are going to have fun with it. This is how I feel about my 67 Mustang with 200 I6, I have been building the motor to it's max potential and it has cost me alot of money, but the gratification of people when the see my car and what is in the engine bay is priceless. Here is what I have in the car so far:

custom forged pistons, with rings and bearings from Ross Racing $700
Hooker Header $350
Weber 38 2 barrel carb with adapter $400
ARP head bolts $75
Corteco gasket kit $55
Hipo balancer $215
7 qt oil pan $245
274 cam $145
lifters $55
Roller Tipped Rockers $415
Push Rods $45
Valve Springs $80
Dual Roller timing Chain $99
odds and ends $200
Machine Work $500

Now for my future project that I have already purchased parts:
Offenhauser 3x1 manifold $240
3 autolite 1100 carbs, well I already had 2, so 1 carb $140
Eaton M90 with intercooler and bypass valve off of Ebay $320

The look on peoples faces when they see that it is a 6: PRICELESS

I encourage you to keep on with the I6.

 

[6bangerwanab]

8)

1) Coming from Ford 2.3L turbo experience I think a turbo 200 could hit 300hp.
2) I feel that the really hard and expensive part needed for a turbo build would be getting forged pistons.
3) I know the 2.3L crowd is hot on a certain Volvo intercooler which can usually be had for around $100 on Ebay

1) Piece o' cake.
2) I got two sets!
3) not good for anything over 2.3 and 10 psi max.

then they are pushing pretty close to max on thier origonal cars. my 740's 2.3 pushes 8 psi. i was planning on keeping the intercooler after i swapped it out for the absolutely huge cooler that i have so i would have a fairly thin one to use on my falcon (its only about an inch, inch and a half thick) then when i upgrade it, sell it on ebay

anyways, i have been a reader for about 4 or 5 years now (a couple years before i was 16) and am excited to hear that they took interest of the six (although i haven't read it yet, it takes a while for my rags to get to me at college from my parents) and i really hope that douglas reads this entire thread to see what a great idea it would be to build up a six, it would be a hit that could cause magazines to fly off the shelves.

as one last comment, as i said above i have a volvo 740 turbo, it is my daily driver. I will not joke that it is as slow as molasses in a straight line, even with 4.10 gears i swear that my 76 f250 4x4 is faster off the line. but with decent tires and an excellent suspention design (strut up front, a kinda modified torque arm rear suspention, and anti roll bars front and rear) i have yet to find a car that handles as well, or is nearly as predictable. which is why on april 16 im going to be at DIA ready for the new SCCA SOLO II season to start.

 

[Anonymous]

As you guys might know, CC picked up a '67 Mustang with a 200 six in it. We are considering the engine build and want to know if anyone here has some combinations of parts with prices, specs, and horsepower numbers of six-cylinder builds. Let us know! CarCraft@primedia.com or post here and we will read them.
douglas

douglas? since when do you go by douglas

confess and just tell these guys your a mopar fan! j/k

see you later when you peaking in on my photoshoots

anyways GUYS if you got something to say, "douglas" is the one to say it too! editors don't get much better then this! giving you an invite to e-mail him you can't get any better then that! (you can pay me later doug!)

p.s. doug stop messing with the mustang and buy a maverick!

 

[Anonymous]

Megasquirt is an awesome controller. This build would be perfect for it.
200 hp with 25+ mpg through a t-5. I think it would be possible. I am on other sites where we use this very advanced peice of electronics for fuel injection control. The original 289 made about 225 right? That is a very respectable number. With an aluminum driveshaft and wheels I think the fuel efficiency could be achieved. Everyone is concerned with gas prices these days and it IS a part of engine performance. I'm sure there are many people who would like to have the best of both worlds. The Megasuirt controller also controls boost so there you have it! The means to get to that 300 horsepower number. This is definately doable if we all help out.

 

[Anonymous]

My budget build:
3 1bbls carb set up
Header
Exhaust (free flow but quiet)
3:00 gear
1970 timming gear set
That should be worth 125whps and 250+torque.
ALL FOR FUN!
Ken