Custom Extractors

xrwagon

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Have any or many had custom extractors built or toyed with the idea? Would be interested to know if anyone has run larger diameter pipes and long primaries or 6 into 3, maybe a merge collector. Nothing off the shelf, obvious technical question as pipes are generally built to suit an engine and determine length of primary. Also, who has a horsepower sump?
 
xrwagen,

Seems to me I have seen 6-3-1 headers like you mention. Think they were on Australian Fords, more than 1 example and on this
site, too. Sorry, Can't tell you on what post.

I am so intrigued by this design that I am making a set for myself (pairing cyls. 1&6, 2&5, 3&4 It may be that there wouldn't be any
performance improvement over 6-2-1 configurement but I have to find out for myself. At 360 degree timing, no cylinder would be in
another's way. I once changed a 4 cyl. header from 180 degree to this 360 degree arrangement and it improved lower end torque a
lot on an automatic--even smoothed out a choppy cam.

Collector shape and length sounds like a good place to experiment; however, going larger than 1.5 inch primaries probably won't help
you if you're running close to stock engine. As some have said here, This engine has much development room left to us

So get some material and weld something up. 'My car isn't running presently (250 in a Pinto/Bobcat),so can't give results.

I like your racer project. Good luck and keep going......inline!

Gary
 
Three types.

Ideal Type 1

The primo is the very best iron Jag XKE/Aston Martin style style, which Holden sort of copied in the 179 X2, 2650/161s, 2850/186S, the 3300/202 XU1 GTR, and the XT5/XT6 carb 2.85/3.3 engines.To improve the Holden set up, just a iron port divider has to be welded into each of the two out lets, Ian Tate style. That makes the exhaust a twin branch 3 into 1 header. (When the front and back banks are split with a welded in divider, that is worth 10 hp at engines around the 216 hp Bathurst mark and triple carb, but the cut down 3-bbl engines with three 45mm DCOE with each second barrel deactivated made the engines 230 hp. Most of the difference was the split iron header exhast, not the hot HX cam. The difference between the 1972 and 1973 was just the welded in divider).


Ideal Type 2

And then the 1985 Holden 3.3 VK Commodore Electronic Injection header

See http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8836/1002732wo2.jpg


This makes the best low end torque with hardly any expense to top end power, and was designed for the two EGR port Holden

Its used in many pre cross flows, like this, with brilliant results



Type 3

The ages old stock tube header, a twin out let, dual 3 into 1 item.

This always looses torque at some engine rpms (compared to the best Type 1 or Type 2 header in iron or tube), and sometimes peak power too

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Holden-Commo ... 3cdd2b2a5f


The big foot ball converter B and X code exhaust found on the 3.3 Foxes after 1981 model year had a large single outlet



which can be divided up two or four ways. The single 4.25" hole can then run two exhast pipes, sort of like this Opel 1900 twin carb header



one under the sump like this
 
The stock 4.25 " exhaust football converter B and X code 3.3



It can be divided up into two pipes, and then one led under the engine to the left, and the other to the right, so you can run a V8 style exhaust.

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A great example of the VK Ei style exhast is this

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Or contact Emerald 74 4x4, and have him make up a set like this

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see http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/show ... p?t=384015
 
Cheers mate, the engine in the picture with the heat wrap and triples i have been trying to buy. I like the setup on the blueish rail or rod. Do you think its worth much power to custom make a set after i do some motor work?
 
Here are two approaches that also seem to work well.

The first photo is from a BMW M3 system.

The next two are for a Triumph TR6, but the firing order is the same.
 

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Starting to see the difference between "shorties" & "long tube" headers (extractors) with this last group of pic?
Aren't long tubes better for hp, shorties for tq?

Then there was a 'scavenger' vs 'back pressure' thread earlier...

We could go on forever, maybe better do a search, check the 'stickies" to avoid a rehash?
or not...
 
'picked up this set from another V8 swap clone guy - I'd never seen the US small block six head CUSTOM siamese 2/3 exh. port treatment done this way. The headers/extractors are no-name I can find.
. . . .

for reference Hooker are common still because they were well made Long - tube true Dual-outs' for 170 to 250 small block sixes. Hooker #6601's for the 170/200 (Mustang/maybe Falcon Application) and seemingly rare #6602's 250 cid (Maverick original application ?) ,'also used Holley "interference fit"cast port dividers and Holley gaskets

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have exhausting fun
 
Performance wise, there's probably an advantage to the 123 - 456 grouping. The BMW M3 is a good example of that. If they took that path to get over 300hp from a naturally aspirated 3.3 liter six you can probably bet they did their homework on the header layout. Inline Jags, Astons, and the like also pair the cylinders that way.

The other headers that have two adjacent firing cylinders paired together probably have a very distinct sound, though, especially if routed thru a true dual system. More for sound effect than power, but I doubt there's any measurable loss by using such a layout on a typical street engine.
 
that's a different approach, the port divider in the header... any thoughts on advisability of that?
easier than the cast iron weld in we've used here...
 
I would be looking at increasing the pipe size, looking at the grouping and then continuing the pipe size into the merge collector. There is a program for figuring it out and you can get a pipe making kit, blue plastic or something like that.
This is what i have, brand is called Hi Tech Headers, for crossflow Ford sixes they are 1 5/8ths Primary, 2” sec and 2” outlet, cant see why this cant be replicated on a set for a pre crossflow.

Primary 1 ½
Secondary 1 ¾
Outlet 2
 
This is for a dual outlet Hurricane extractors on same engine as my Hi Tech Headers, as you can note the secondary is a larger 2"

PRIMARIES - 11/2" (38MM)
SECONDARIES - 2" (51MM)
DUAL OUTLET - 2" (51MM)
 
My Hi Tech headers have been modified, the ports were all cleaned up, plenty of left over weld and uneven rough surface to play with. May have been in vain though considering when researched only one brand in Australia has a 1/58ths primary that i have found, the rest 1 1/2 inch, then mine step into 13/4 inch and not two inch. This will be rectified when i take the head off the car.
 
Mustangsix,

I believe you're right. 153,624 grouping may add power on top end in roadracing application if you could afford
to run an inline at higher revs. Special ,not promising for most of us.

Dyno has proven the 123,456 arrangement to make broadest, flattest torque curve.

I'm trying 16,25,34 in search of lower speed torque and to smooth out a more radical cam. Might have to change
back to 123,.456. We'll see.

Just getting a decent header on any inline is an improvement. They deserve it.

Gary
 
absolutely top notch, look fantastic. Better find myself a video of the FTF to have another listen.
 
has anyone ever considered going bigger than 1/58th on primarys? maybe 1/78th’s, looked at the set of Hooker’s, they look ok but for the price they should be very good.
 
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