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I know this question shouldnt really be asked on this forum, but forgive me because i can never get a real answer. Could i swap my 200 out for a later model.. early 90's..302? What all would i have to change, and what all would i have to fabricate myself?
Thanks,
Nick
 
If you do this be prepared to empty your wallet very quickly. You will need a new rear end, motor mounts, steering and replacing some worn out suspension parts, transmission mount, engine/transmission, driveshaft, new wheels, exhaust, and probably more misc parts that I can't remember.
 
thanks... ive got a lot of different answers, so i thought i could ask on here. The guy that gave me the idea said there wouldnt be much to change, except for motor mounts and a couple of other things. He said i could use the same tranny, and i needed better brakes either way, and i was planning to get better brakes and suspension.. but i dunno... i guess i will just wait on more responses.. and i might take it to the local shop and see what the mechanic says, because he works on a lot of older cars.
thanks,
Nick
 
Well, the way I listed out is known as the safe way, but if you want to risk things breaking while you're driving then you can do it any other way you can find.

Stories of people driving their car so and so number of years with the 6 cyl stuff doesn't cut it for me.
 
DaGr8Tim":2yy2tm8f said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but by the early 90's, wasn't the 302 replaced by the 4.6?.

nope, 302 was in the Mustang until 95 and in Explorers until 98 I belive
 
well i guess ill start saving so i can have it all done at one time so i dont have to worry about all that stuff. Thanks
Nick
 
nickstang66":3k7z235f said:
well i guess ill start saving so i can have it all done at one time so i dont have to worry about all that stuff. Thanks
Nick

That would be a great idea. Due to how poorly I managed mine it has taken a year to get it close to being done and now I need a driveshaft and exhaust. It runs though which makes me happy.
 
talk to a classic mustang mechanic you can get ALOT of free infromation from them if they think they'll be the ones putting it in. ; )

good luck buddy
 
It can be done with as little as you said, but like Rogue said...that isn't the best way. The 6 cylinder components (suspension, spindles, steering, etc) really need to be replaced as well to handle the addition bulk and power of the 302.

As far as putting the new engine in...sure, all you need is new motor mounts, and gas pedal assembly.

Slade
 
I'm with them- you'll need deifinite upgrades to the suspension & brakes. The mass of the 302 will compress the stock I-6 springs, lowering ride height and reducing useable bump travel in your shocks. Also puts extra stress on the chassis/steering components and brakes. I'd do this first, so the chassis will be ready for the motor. And you can still drive the 200 with the heavier suspension.

If you have a manual trans, be sure that your tranny is rated to the power and torque a 302 will produce. Same with the rear end gears. With a C-4, make sure you have the right torque converter for the engine set-up.

Throttle linkage will be different, as will the radiator, hoses, distributor, and exhaust system.

The motor swap itself isn't too bad, but all the incidentals and peripheral parts could nickle and dime you to death if you're not careful. Plan Plan Plan. Price it all out.

If you're just looking for a stock 302, you might be able to spend less and spruce up the 200 to get pretty close to stock 302 numbers for less dinero. It will take some research. If you want bigger numbers than that, then the bent-8 is probably a better choice. To be fair, exclude any upgrade cost that would be done regardless of motor swap- like your mentioned suspension upgrades. Go for the best bang for your buck that will meet your project goals.



--mikey
 
For the price of doing it right you could buy another classic mustang with a V8 already in it with all the V8 hardware! If you don't want two stangs hanging around the sell what you got and get another with an 8 already in it.
 
hindle_az":185s7z7n said:
For the price of doing it right you could buy another classic mustang with a Vee-Eight already in it with all the Vee-Eight hardware! If you don't want two stangs hanging around the sell what you got and get another with an 8 already in it.

True, and it would be worth more in the end to someone who knows their stuff.
 
i guess it would make sense to just get another one...but then id have to start all over... and im only 15.. so i kinda take what i can get for right now... and i dont think my parents would be to happy since i still owe them about 2 grand on the car...so maybe that can be something i can do in the future..but its nice to dream!
thanks,
Nick
 
Just my two cents worth. For what you will end up spending you can build up your six to be a nice daily driver. Since you mention that you are only 15. You will be money ahead to build up the six and go enjoy the car. Then after a couple of years if you still want to drop in a 8 you will have more driving experince and maybe a few more dollars in your pocket. I'm not trying to be mean but the odds are you will crunch a fender or two so don't drop alot of money into the car right off the bat.

Gary
 
i had a 1969 ford mustang i did that to, it had a 170 or 144 in it. I swaped it out for a World Castings 375hp Crate 302. the only real mods i had to do was fab up linkage, shop around at junk yard looking for mounts for a 302 and a way to bolt them in the mustang, found a stangwith a 289 in it witch help alot, buy a conveter to the C4 tranny i believe it was from Summit racing but im not sure, and re gear the rear end a plus side of this job was that the car already had a 5 lug suspention done on it before i did it for this guy, if i remeber right it came to about 8 grand. a good protion of that was labor i charge a flat 78 an hour. took me about a week to do. if i was to do it again and the keeper car only had a 4 lug i would find another car like or equivlant car that has a 5 lug and start swaping everything over. im gonna dig out some pictures of it and doing the work and see if i cant scan them and post them for you
 
From mustangsteve's website:

http://www.mustangsteve.com/MustangSteveFAQ.html

Converting a 6 Cylinder 65-66 Mustang To V-8 Engine
There are a lot of variables involved in that swap. DO you already own an engine and tranny for it? What level of buildup do you want for the engine, as-is, stock rebuilt or performance rebuilt, or full boogie. at any rate, figure a minimum of 200 to buy a worn out 289, 1,000 to rebuild the engine, 200 for a junkyard c-4 automatic transmission 200 for exhaust work, 100 for motor mounts, 250 for front end steering parts, 100 for a used 8" rear axle, 150 for a drive shaft and u-joints, 100 for used front brakes with 5 lugs, 200 for brake rebuild, 100 for some used 5 lug wheels, and new tires are extra if you don't have 14" wheels now. Add about 30 for a used v-8 accelerator rod/auto transmission kickdown, 150 for hoses, filters and oil and coolant, 300 for all the little miscellaneous stuff you will want/need to change "while you are in there", and another 200 for a new radiator. THIS ASSUMES YOU WILL DO ALL THE LABOR YOURSELF AND THAT YOU DON'T INSTALL/BUY ANY HIGH PERFORMANCE STUFF. You do the math. I would sell it and buy a v-8 car, unless it was your grandmother's car and has sentimental value, in which case you should probably just leave it alone and put your money into a nice stereo.

Bottom line. It would be much cheaper and you would have a car with matching numbers if you sold yours and bought a v-8 car. 6 cylinder cars are known as "T" codes, which refers to the fifth digit in the serial number. 289's with 2 barell carbs were "C" codes and 289's with 4 barrells were "A" codes. High performance 289's were "K" codes. Look at the fifth digit in the number on your driver side engine compartment panel under the hood. You will find something like 5F05T_____ or 5R05T____ where the "T" denotes the engine the car was originally equipped with.

Case in point: My 65 coupe, a very straight "T" code car that the previous owner took immaculate care of. He paid me to change it to all V-8 drivetrain. I installed a 289, a C-4 automatic tranny and a v-8 rear axle and a set of 5 lug, 10" front v-8 drum brakes. When he got through with it, he could not sell it for near what he had in it because the 'T" did not match the v-8 under the hood. ("T" code cars typically do not bring much money to begin with as demand for them is not high) He wound up selling the car to me for $3,000.

If the car had been a "C" or an "A" code, it would have easily sold for $6,000. If it were a "K"code, it would have brought probably $15,000. (No, you can't change the lettering on your inner fender - it is illegal.)

Here is what I would do, in order to NOT throw away a bunch of money on a car that you will NEVER get the money back out of. Enjoy the car as it is (and the cheaper insurance rates you will appreciate) for a year or so until you get your driving skills honed. Imagine that you are spending money to hop up the car, but instead stick it in the bank, letting it earn interest. When you have saved enough to buy a 289 and a new tranny and new brakes and rear axle and etc, etc, etc, THEN sell the "T" code and buy a REAL NICE "C" code with the money you saved plus whatever you can sell your car for. A big advantage to that is that you can actually have fun DRIVING your "T" code rather than laying under it trying to convert it to something it is not. You can then enjoy having a nice "C" code (maybe even get lucky and find an "A" code car) that will likely have power steering and some other niceties. From then on, whatever money you decide to put into the car will very nicely return to you if you sell the car.

Slade
 
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