Ford I.D. engine site; Where is it?
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fmartin_gila
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You are right about the Name Edwin, who set up that website. I have the original pages printed out(10 pages) and in my notebook, that I printed out on 5/25/2004. Then I also have a single page printed out on 8/25/2007 and in my notebook, where he seems to be in the process of updating the site and making a separate link to each type I6 engine family. I don't know what happened to Geocities, they seem to have disappeared. Is there any info I could help with from the printouts I have?
Fred
Fred
Alas, there was a "1963 Ford straight 6 inline" that came up for sale, on craigslist, locally. Running when pulled, with tranny, $125.00. Has a good pic of the drivers side. I was wanting to see if it was a 223 or 262. Unfortunately, already sold.Any way you could post the pages that tell how to tell the difference, (3rd rib, etc.) with pictures?Jim
fmartin_gila
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Best quick glance ID is if the fuel pump is mounted to the timing cover, it is a 262 and if the pump is mounted to the side of the block, it is a 215 or 223. The 215 has the Dist mounted about half way back along the block and the 223 has the dist mounted at about the # 2 cylinder position along the block. The 215 & early 223's had the valve cover held down by 2 bolts, the later 223's and 262's had the valve cover held on with 8 bolts. The 262 cam was a gear drive and the 215 & 223 were chain driven cam's. These are just things I can remember right off. More than likely, it was a 223 as the 262 didn't become available until just about that time(63) and was an option in the light duty pickups starting in 64.
Fred
Fred
If you know enough about the 215/223/262 engine family to narrow it down that far, then you might be able to tell a 262 from the rest by the casting number in the block. The 262 was produced by the Truck division and should have a "T" in the 3rd position. The two casting numbers I've seen for 262 engines start with C1T and C4T whereas my 223 engines have an "A" in the third position because they were produced by the Automotive division.
Here is a little of the info I have gathered on the 262 Six over the years.
Made from 1961 to 1964 - (also Industrial use to 1965) Bore 3.718 x Stroke 4.03.
A Truck only motor that was optional for the 1961 to 64 F-600, C-550, C-600 (the tilt cab trucks) and B-600 trucks Door ID tag code B. In 1964 it was offered in the F-100, F-250, and F-350) light trucks Door ID tag code B: Used in1964 & 1965 DIVCO trucks as the "G" series motor in Models 10-Sr, 40Sr, 40-D, 50-Sr, 50-E, 50-F, 70-Sr, 70-C, 70-D, 100-Sr, 200-Sr, 200-C, 206-C, 206-D. There are other possible industrial uses and some claim they were used in the F-500, N-500 & 600 trucks, & B-500 Buses, but I cant verify those as original applications.
According to
“1961 Ford service Forum No 7 "Servicing the 262 Ford Truck Engine" has this general info and some pictures but not much in part numbers. Externally the 262 will have Dual Primary Belts from the Crankshaft to the Water pump & Generator, has a gear driven cam instead of the chain cam drive of the 215 or 223 light truck engines. The crankshaft gear is lubricated through a flat on the No. 1 camshaft bearing. The use of a Carter Fuel Pump that is mounted on the timing cover and driven by an eccentric on the timing gear (the blocks have a cast side fuel pump mounting boss, but it was blocked off). A water heated Spacer at the Base of the Carburetor was used to Prevent Icing. Had a Forged, rather than a Cast, Crankshaft. Equipped with a Positive Crankcase Ventilation system and a one-quart oil bath air cleaner are standard equipment on the 262. These and other features of the new 262 engine are described in the appropriate sections of this booklet."
Also in 1964 the fuel pump location moved to the side of block, like a 223 and was driven by an eccentric off the cam. The distributor is mounted on the right side of the block towards the front. There are 8 bolts holding down the valve cover, and came standard with a full flow oil filtration system. I have not been able to find out block numbers for the 262 visually they will look similar to the 223 block. I have found some of the other part numbers. Probably the best external identification on a 262 block are the added ribs on the inside of the block and there are extra reinforcing ribs that run for and aft almost the entire length of the block to give added strength to the upper Crankcase area there are some massive ribs above pan rail too. The 223 blocks don’t have the added ribs so this makes a 262 block 20 pounds heavier than a 223.
Made from 1961 to 1964 - (also Industrial use to 1965) Bore 3.718 x Stroke 4.03.
A Truck only motor that was optional for the 1961 to 64 F-600, C-550, C-600 (the tilt cab trucks) and B-600 trucks Door ID tag code B. In 1964 it was offered in the F-100, F-250, and F-350) light trucks Door ID tag code B: Used in1964 & 1965 DIVCO trucks as the "G" series motor in Models 10-Sr, 40Sr, 40-D, 50-Sr, 50-E, 50-F, 70-Sr, 70-C, 70-D, 100-Sr, 200-Sr, 200-C, 206-C, 206-D. There are other possible industrial uses and some claim they were used in the F-500, N-500 & 600 trucks, & B-500 Buses, but I cant verify those as original applications.
According to
“1961 Ford service Forum No 7 "Servicing the 262 Ford Truck Engine" has this general info and some pictures but not much in part numbers. Externally the 262 will have Dual Primary Belts from the Crankshaft to the Water pump & Generator, has a gear driven cam instead of the chain cam drive of the 215 or 223 light truck engines. The crankshaft gear is lubricated through a flat on the No. 1 camshaft bearing. The use of a Carter Fuel Pump that is mounted on the timing cover and driven by an eccentric on the timing gear (the blocks have a cast side fuel pump mounting boss, but it was blocked off). A water heated Spacer at the Base of the Carburetor was used to Prevent Icing. Had a Forged, rather than a Cast, Crankshaft. Equipped with a Positive Crankcase Ventilation system and a one-quart oil bath air cleaner are standard equipment on the 262. These and other features of the new 262 engine are described in the appropriate sections of this booklet."
Also in 1964 the fuel pump location moved to the side of block, like a 223 and was driven by an eccentric off the cam. The distributor is mounted on the right side of the block towards the front. There are 8 bolts holding down the valve cover, and came standard with a full flow oil filtration system. I have not been able to find out block numbers for the 262 visually they will look similar to the 223 block. I have found some of the other part numbers. Probably the best external identification on a 262 block are the added ribs on the inside of the block and there are extra reinforcing ribs that run for and aft almost the entire length of the block to give added strength to the upper Crankcase area there are some massive ribs above pan rail too. The 223 blocks don’t have the added ribs so this makes a 262 block 20 pounds heavier than a 223.
Good info, Bubba! In '65, coulda been '64, not sure, the forged crank became an option. What I was looking for was a picture of the extra rib, on the outside of the block, so I could compare it to a small, grainy pic posted on craigslist. It sold, anyway, but I sure wish Edwin would resurect his site. It was a great resource! It and this group have been a godsend!Jim
I do have some pictures of the 262's and its parts and many part numbers in my main computer. Trouble right now is it wont boot up, got hit by a Trojan or Worm back in mid Jan. Will have do a back up to another drive then try to repair one of the main OS files or do a full reload. If I could see the picture could probably tell though. The rib runs about an inch or so above the pan rail and it is quite a noticeable difference to a 223.
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